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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: ?$ L/ U! K( q2 w/ Z- G

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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' k, H/ j$ o- e9 v, mbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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3 F/ r$ y3 f* y: ~$ a; ]  mBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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. [1 s6 u0 J  x6 ^* m2 S. p其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ V+ _! v) v: u0 D" Z4 p4 g7 _

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:) f) T8 n" X- a# X& v$ E8 P, u5 S: c0 }
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:, Y7 [& v" J9 p% z. Q
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ P8 f) X) }5 m) k/ w$ O  N$ l( o

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) X2 Z# L, f# v$ e& C$ aAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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1 n! ]$ _- b' w% ~; m  I8 N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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8 i* T- d3 Z" a陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......