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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  G- g( f9 P- m* O( x2 U3 HWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
: J+ v( y# z' FI was so confused.....
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) D$ Y- q6 T- H+ l講到尾都係賺錢3 a8 n/ u4 I  h- V4 {1 g' h
so銀行可以不斷放款. C, x' ]9 O: k6 n. f' {! ]& N5 L
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 x. @0 p5 K* S' n
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mortgage loan
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* {& b) X! _- Y1 @5 k% I>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 H  ~! i5 Q% j& D8 h- ~0 K
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) e7 q, o  @7 J
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 k0 P8 W' L7 f( n6 O( K; q+ M
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# }; j! O1 @$ `- L8 bmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 U! @* ^8 W# D, a' y' t$ v7 L2 N
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." ]. N0 C5 w# V5 C1 R
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 q( C2 A8 T$ D7 X) V% r  Z% L' Osimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
! G& Y2 P; e6 u  o$ P/ T; g9 fnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " B, i, V# ~# t8 u! Q4 T0 h6 z6 F1 J
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; }0 {- f9 d% b. Hbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.: p; c: o* O- y2 T/ f/ ?# s8 N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ C4 h+ `5 \! v; ?; x% Bin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 P+ |# u! t* a* S
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ V6 }- ?' R$ ~- c# d9 wA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
& x& t( ?, Z0 c: S  j( @9 f! ]The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) ^4 T. [8 J4 w
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- {4 z5 i. Y) f; e  o
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 K8 n2 U* ~" `; b0 c: c% f$ @
Refer to last example,* @& N7 @7 Z0 H* ?; N
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + [8 a1 n- r! J6 k! [4 F* I) u: I) T
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand . W3 W+ \6 V9 n7 C+ i0 W! l9 t
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 z  A7 j$ J3 k1 [$ {. v3 e
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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7 L1 I7 F4 y+ [2 y3 bthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + Y: ]- E+ w9 V$ {1 H. b
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 ^6 m% _- X. i2 mit's the problem of the debt itself.5 S, f9 h/ W, d2 A$ i
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 e/ E8 I7 j: i% ], U
小弟一直都唔明.... K' K: u9 i& {; ]0 [; ]' z2 W! A

# I. _2 u- r& H全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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9 o* B" f' Y' f7 Q- A無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& x" r  o0 b$ D6 L" H% N

9 T0 c; W' ~$ N敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  $ G: t. q2 o5 X
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ c2 r6 a( s2 t! k+ Q2 O
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高. g8 o( @; H! p2 x6 y$ d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊, \' F% f& }8 |2 Q
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦0 X+ z: ]# s$ H% ~* n# m5 C/ o1 x
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ X1 U0 Q% N8 }( b計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺8 D4 l5 p, m) ~9 L% @  U# }
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: r$ z% b' l0 }同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! a8 m+ |9 @- f+ e但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺6 \9 T1 H$ T5 }$ ^/ |) B
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / X# T$ b8 ?+ a" R6 j
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%4 S# A% }+ |  K7 m! I. @
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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0 E% u' q8 }; L/ v- q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
  [  L5 h$ W+ Y+ G但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 z- J" h: _4 e; \+ m淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 Q( A! g* Y% e6 N: E8 X9 _呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ c7 U4 j' f- o8 z) E8 e咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ I' I' J1 @  t2 g. k1 p唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 M+ i) Z* y! L, p1 ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! x1 q4 l$ h1 ~( \5 K& H呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
' K8 j4 S6 |/ _6 j咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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9 g6 o; w$ }* ~' J. }) d正係咁樣; T7 t0 M6 j$ i( G7 j1 M' z  }' B
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業* a0 V( d! U8 [' J6 k
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ s& W" _! G6 b2 _( L% N" R" t1 ?
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 N+ R: ?, b0 _3 l
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' M% l( [- Z$ M" c# I編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 I3 a; B5 ]" K1 T& k( W( N
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 O" F& M7 I* o8 M, f其實係.../ A6 [/ i* T' f2 r
因為以前未生產, 先消費
- e8 V, S; k: C: q, i2 g3 V& A而家就要多生產, 少消費
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