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作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-17 04:01 PM 標題: 牙刷摩又發言 - 望旁証就錯判致歉

車路士領隊摩連奴表明週末錯判卡奴入球無效的旁証應公開致歉。

卡奴在無越位的情況下攻入一球，但被球証指入球無效。車路士最後只能0-0 賽和布力般痛失兩分。

摩連奴對於該記錯判大為不滿，並要求該旁証就錯誤道歉。

「我們取得入球。只是該旁証認為那入球無效。我實在不能理解他的決定。我向該旁証說我等待他致電向我道歉。」

雖然和波失分，但摩連奴依然滿意球隊表現。

「球隊沒有林柏特，也沒有杜奧巴和比沙路，但球隊也表現出水準。面對著以一分為目標的球隊下也能打出水準，也能取得入球己令我感到滿意。」摩連奴說。

U-Soccer 綜合報道

如果我係果個球証, 我一定幽佢一默, 我會答佢:

"如果史泰奧斯肯打個電話比賓尼迪斯道歉, 我都會打比摩連奴"

牙刷領隊已經好耐無出位言論, 可能呢排唔見左幾分, 要發下火...
其實佢都痴痴地, 會同你道歉果d就唔係球證啦, 而且錯在國際足協, 唔係球証!!
請果d fans唔好再盲目吹捧話佢eq好高云云, 其實佢輸左都會發long黎...

不過我反而buy佢呢樣, 呢d火叫做passion, 英超四大領隊最無passion係賓尼迪斯,
好似贏又係咁, 輸又係咁樣...

大家點睇?

[ Last edited by amigofans on 2007-9-17 at 04:02 PM ]

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-17 04:24 PM

其實就係好似早前個單野球證同利物浦公開道歉, 所以摩連勞, 特登咁講啦, 如果上次有道歉, 咁今次都應該咁做, 因為都係因為一個錯誤的判決令該失分, 如果你話球證有尊嚴, 同埋場上有錯唔出奇, 咁上次都唔應該道歉, 大家點睇

作者: fabric 時間: 2007-9-17 05:01 PM

球証就係球証, 佢的判決就可能至隊球於死地, 再唔係摩老你去做球証, 仲要主要吹車記的, 邊隊對車記入沒, 就吹佢唔算入球, 咁樣車記可以38場全勝攞冠軍

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-17 05:09 PM

咁我又覺得如果真係錯左就要認喎, 即場判決錯左, 無辦法, 檢討時發現錯左都唔認就唔啱, 否則沒有改進, 唔會驚惕, 其實除左車仔, 其他所有球隊, 領隊都會投訴, 你有見過邊個領隊發過錯判會唔表達??

作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-17 05:16 PM

Originally posted by SPACE2007 at 2007-9-17 05:09 PM:
咁我又覺得如果真係錯左就要認喎, 即...

有架, 我見過, 上次摩連奴so左, 佢粒聲都唔出,
今次到曉士so, 佢仲勁, 佢話果球係有offsite, 問你死未...

其實我只係想講, 呢d野, 此一時彼一時, 有著數咪無勞嘈 lor...

醫學報告都出左, 話人類係唔可以判斷到兩個視點又同一時間發生既野既,
國際足協仲係鐘意用肉眼黎判, 仲要話 "錯誤係球賽既一部份"...

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-17 05:41 PM

咪就係啦, so的, 梗唔出聲啦, 我都讚成, 錯誤實有, 盡量減少啦,

作者: terencey 時間: 2007-9-17 06:14 PM

Originally posted by filter-052fans at 2007-9-17 04:01 PM:
車路士領隊摩連奴表明週末錯判卡奴入...

我覺得唔係一定要發老脾, "dum 蹄 dum 爪" 咁先叫有 passion 嘅, 冇 passion 既根本唔可以晌最高水平嘅聯賽取得成功, 甚至球圈立足. 有 D 人喜怒比較容易形於色, 但有 D 人就比較 cool, 內斂, 到佢真係好興好興果陣先至發吓老脾. 我覺得賓 SIR 會係後者, 其實佢一向唔係太 out-spoken, 講既野通常都不慍不火. 我有時晌官網或其他媒介見佢發表嘅言論, 俾到人一種好務實嘅感覺, 但又顯露出其積極求進嘅慾望. 利物浦已經十幾年未奪得聯賽冠軍, 歷史包袱同挑戰性其實真係好大, 佢冇勇於求勝嘅激情嘅話, 又點會遠赴英格蘭接受呢項挑戰呢? 球會正係需要佢呢種實在, 擅於部署, 冷靜得來又勇於帶領球會邁步向前嘅領隊.

我唔係話摩連奴亂發脾氣, 吓吓 "dum 蹄 dum 爪", 佢本身都有佢既優點, 例如佢嘅戰術調動, 勇於承擔隊中嘅一切壓力, 對球員嘅感染力, 心思慎密等等, 只係覺得佢有時太 out-spoken, 甚至有 D 小器感覺, 特別係對利物浦奪歐冠果年, 四強贏佢哋 1-0 果球波, 佢都仲成日提住話應該唔入.

咁講真, 如果球證錯判搞到失分就梗係好興嘅, 唔好話你哋, 我, 摩連奴, 賓 SIR 都會鬧鬼啦. (其實賓 SIR 最次都發咗幾次老脾架喇, 先有史泰奧斯錯判 12 碼, 然後有軒斯事件, 再有炮轟英超賽會賽程編排不公呀咁, 呢排算幾唔好老脾架喇

) 所以我覺得佢哋都好有激情同埋求勝慾望, 只係風格各異姐 ......

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-17 08:34 PM

I watched the highlight show.
Sorry, Linesman was making right decision, it was offside for that incident.
Why? because when they right winger (I think he's no.35) he passed up the ball forward, not in parallel nor backward, i.e. that's offside

作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-17 08:46 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2007-9-17 08:34 PM:
I watched the highlight show.
Sorr...

電視上巴列提唔入鏡....

不過算啦, 我都唔知做旁証果D點樣可以睇到OFFSITE,
根本係 FIFA 玩佢地, 因為佢地話 "錯係球賽一部份"

而球証, 旁証就係幫佢地負起呢個責任!!

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-17 09:16 PM

我用中文寫,可能你會明白
那個右翼接波時無問題
那兩個前鋒走在對方的後防既前面

問題就出現
球例寫明如果足球是向前流時
如果進攻球員是站在防守球員的前面,就是越位

這個右翼出波時,波是向前流,而不是平衡/向後流
所以這是越位

好多時旁證在這種情形沒有吹越位,這才是旁證的錯誤

作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-17 10:03 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2007-9-17 09:16 PM:
我用中文寫,可能你會明白
那個右翼接...

我緊係知點為之offsite la,

但記得巴列提出波果下好似係無offsite,
搵唔到片, 想睇清楚d再講, 你有無 link?

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-17 10:58 PM

我想請教brightlee 版主所講 "球例寫明如果足球是向前流時如果進攻球員是站在防守球員的前面,就是越位" 係邊度寫的, 我上過FIFA個網站查過, 有關Offside 的描述, 就沒有提過你所講, 咁可能係其他地方有提及, 所以我都想知道下,

我一直以為, 傳球球員係接應球員前就唔係越位, 唔知道有關係於個波係向前, 平衡, 還是向後傳

請指教

作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-17 11:42 PM

Originally posted by SPACE2007 at 2007-9-17 10:58 PM:
我想請教brightlee 版主所講 "球...

你無講錯, 只係諗多左野, 有d亂左,
你講得o岩, "傳球球員係接應球員前就唔係越位"

呢個時候就算傳波果個人係向前比, 都唔無係越位,
因為接應既球員要攞波, 只會後上先攞到,
如果咁都叫越位, 咩入攝比波都係越位....

詳細留番專業人士答你, 我都係扮下野答嗲既o者....

我反而想睇多次果球, 因為我覺得比波果時巴列提已經係最前果個...
無可能係一個越位球....

當然要睇多次, 因為我只係睇左一次重播....

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-17 11:55 PM

我可以肯定, 巴列堤俾波個時的位置係前過卡勞。

問題係brightlee版主話個波向前流呢個Point, 入涉就梗無越位啦, 入涉係接應球員接波前仲有對方球員
如果真係如版主所講就真係識多樣野, 但係我想知係這條球例的真確性

作者: kuru 時間: 2007-9-18 01:06 AM

錯要認, 打要企定,
球証都係人, 要逆歉

作者: donald15 時間: 2007-9-18 01:12 AM

無聊行過問多條問題
假望現在a隊同b隊比賽依家a隊進攻中，情況如下
底線 a(球員1)
｜
｜
｜                               b(守衛)
｜
｜          b(龍門) a(球員2)
｜
｜                               b(守衛)
｜
如果呢個情況a球員1於字門員後面而a球員2又夾係b守門員既越位區域
咁a球員1傳比a球員2又算唔算越位呢
呢個情況應該好小發生純粹想得個知字

作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-18 01:27 AM

Originally posted by donald15 at 2007-9-18 01:12 AM:
無聊行過問多條問題
假望現在a隊同b...

向後傳梗係唔構成越位啦....

即係角球永遠唔會有越位既!!

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-18 05:08 AM

I will ask my coach tomorrow night, cos we'll have meeting
I will pass all the questions to them...
so don't worry
Yes, that's great filter-004ion time

作者: cfccfcc 時間: 2007-9-18 09:51 AM

Originally posted by donald15 at 2007-9-18 01:12 AM:
無聊行過問多條問題
假望現在a隊同b...

無越位
不過
如果a1响對手守門員前，a2响守門員後，就算有一個後衛响所有人後面，當a1傳比a2的話，都係越位

                                             a1
                           GK
                     a2
[球門]       b1

作者: amigofans 時間: 2007-9-19 09:04 AM

尋晚車仔爆冷被洛辛保迫和, 仲要係自己失波先,

賽後摩連奴大發雷霆, 除左埋怨傷兵問題外, 更責備球隊浪費機會..

以下係佢對主場只可入到一球既意見...

"I am disappointed but the history of the game was simple -
we had 20 chances and scored one goal.
So maybe we need 40 chances to score two and 60 to score three."

好難怪d傳媒咁鍾意佢, 因為佢真係妙語連珠, 贏輸都一樣....

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-19 07:21 PM

I asked the referee coach during meeting today,
this is his answer

If it's similar as what Space2007 was describing about, that'd be onside

But what I saw, that's different than your view (cos in highlight show, they showed an angle really closed to linesman, p.s. I may be wrong

The situation what I saw is:

front view
               GK
(left)                                  (right)
         A       A
                                    A
         D          D

When the right winger cross the ball with forward position like that, that's Offside.

[ Last edited by brightlee on 2007-9-19 at 10:22 PM ]

作者: saronabc 時間: 2007-9-19 07:45 PM

it is clear offside as the right winger pass the ball across and the striker was in front of him with no defenders on hand whatsoever

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-19 08:21 PM

Originally posted by saronabc at 2007-9-19 21:45:
it is clear offside as the right winger pass the ball across and the striker was in front of him with no defenders on hand whatsoever

That's what I watched in Highlight show too!
But you know... that's no any replay we can see in internet so can't filter-004 for this.

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-19 09:54 PM

其實個晚睇的時候, 有唔同的角度去睇呢球波, 其中一個角度, 按球場上草地的顏色, 可看到巴列堤係前過卡勞,

不過呢個都唔緊要, 主要個point 係越位的規例係點, 即係brightlee版主的意思是, 只要傳球球員係前過接應球員, 不論前面還有沒有對方球或者個球係向前, 平衡或後傳, 都不算越位, 係唔係?

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-19 10:00 PM

Originally posted by SPACE2007 at 2007-9-19 23:54:
其實個晚睇的時候, 有唔同的角度去睇...

Yes you are right. cos the one who 'cross' the ball, break the offside trip already

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-19 10:03 PM

p.s. let's learn together

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-19 10:07 PM

係呀, 大家一齊研究, 唔係拗, 氣氛幾好呀!!

其實我應該利益申報, 我係車仔忠實Fans, 由荷度年代開始ga !!!!!!!!!

作者: brightlee 時間: 2007-9-19 10:13 PM

you know, I am referee nowadays, I am not a fans for any team now....

By the way, I start to watch Chelsea in Kerry Dixon's day.....

[ Last edited by brightlee on 2007-9-20 at 12:19 AM ]

作者: SPACE2007 時間: 2007-9-19 10:17 PM

嘩, 咁我又後過你好多喎!!

Anyway, all of us can filter-004 in the future.

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