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作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-9-30 06:12 AM 標題: | 救市過山車2008 | 美國前境面面觀 | 歡迎討論 |

七千億方案遭否決，緊急救市政策失敗

環球金融市場正處於最危險的時刻
脆弱的歐洲金融體系逐漸崩潰
衝擊美國經濟的海嘯正蔓延至全球

Dow 跌 778, 下跌輻度大過 911
      1 09/17/2001 -684
      2 04/14/2000 -617
      3 10/27/1997 -554
      4 08/31/1998 -512
      5 10/19/1987 -508

未來香港，美國前境如何？請歡迎討論~

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作者: infjlam 時間: 2008-9-30 06:34 AM

除左個個都對個市失晒信心外，
華府動用納稅人金錢（公帑），大細超去救果班高薪厚祿o既財金高層，小市民其實極唔甘心

作者: slwong3 時間: 2008-9-30 07:48 AM

from the news that I have heard, their 七千億方案 has been added some new conditions and is agreeded by both parties. They are waiting for the parties members to vote and the earliest they can finish voting is on Wednesday.

Why would you guys think the 七千億方案 has been rejected?

作者: Edgar_Davids 時間: 2008-9-30 07:50 AM

我今朝起身見到都打左個突…………

TriTri 你果邊知唔知眾院點解反對救市………？？

作者: Edgar_Davids 時間: 2008-9-30 07:51 AM

八七年股災以來最大的單日跌幅……………

眾議院今晨就超級救市方案進行表決，結果以二百二十八票反對、二百零五票贊成，否決有關議案，反對票主要來自共和黨議員，佔了逾一百二十票，令糾纏多日的救市方案難產。美國政府與兩黨國會領袖原在周日就七千億美元救市方案達成臨時共識，昨天公布長達一百一十頁的新方案（草案），並交由國會眾議院表決，眾議院多數派領袖霍耶當時表示，兩黨已夠票通過該方案，豈料投票結果出人意表。

有人過橋抽板，出爾反爾……………

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作者: infjlam 時間: 2008-9-30 07:55 AM

原帖由 slwong3 於 2008-9-30 07:48 AM 發表
from the news that I have heard, their 七千億方案 has been added some new conditions and is agreeded by both parties. They are waiting for the parties members to vote and the earliest they can finish ...

已經否決左

美眾院否認救市方案
(明報)9月30日星期二 07:30
美國國會眾議院以228票對205票，否決了政府提出的總額7000億美元的救市方案。
投票過程中，很多議員因考慮到大選臨近而不願投票支持這方案，投反對票的議員來自民主和共和兩黨。

眾議院投票結果公布後，白宮發言人弗拉托說，總統布殊對眾議院未能通過救市方案感到非常失望。他說，布殊將與政府經濟官員會面以商討確定下一步措施，並將與國會領導人接觸。
美國財政部發言人戴維斯說，政府將利用一切可以利用的手段來保護美國金融市場和美國經濟。她說，財政部長保爾森將與布殊、聯儲局主席伯南克及國會領袖就下一步行動進行磋商。
眾議院議長佩洛西說，救市方案未獲通過是不能接受的，國會將繼續為通過救市方案而努力。

眾議院多數黨領袖霍耶說，解決金融危機是兩黨的責任，民主黨履行了自己的責任。至於作為多數黨的民主黨是否會努力改變目前這種局面，霍耶說，民主黨肯定會繼續關注形勢，看能採取什麼樣的行動。

這份金融救援方案是布殊政府本月20日提交國會的，國會兩黨周日就方案細節達成協議。方案允許政府分階段使用7000億美元用於救市，最初的2500億美元在方案得到國會批准付諸實施時即可使用，另外1000億美元可以在總統認為必要的時候使用，其餘的3500億美元則必須在國會進行評估之後才能使用。

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/080929/4/8h6r.html

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作者: slwong3 時間: 2008-9-30 08:27 AM

bye bye US

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-9-30 08:49 AM

原帖由 Edgar_Davids 於 2008-9-30 07:50 AM 發表
我今朝起身見到都打左個突…………
TriTri 你果邊知唔知眾院點解反對救市………？？

美國政府要我地跌過，痛過，
先至去學做個好公民

=======================================================

衰在今年是選舉年，七千億被Bush 玩完 90 日之後又點呢

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-9-30 09:11 AM 編輯 ]

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-9-30 09:05 AM

Mike Pence 說：「經濟自由意思是有贏有輸的自由。救市行動將永遠改變政府和金融機構的關係。」

「太高就是津貼投機者，太低卻令受助機構只能取回些渣」。
中大經濟系副
授關焯照更直指 7,000 億美元救市只是「短暫的鎮痛劑」

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-9-30 09:19 AM

原帖由 infjlam 於 2008-9-30 06:34 AM 發表
除左個個都對個市失晒信心外，
華府動用納稅人金錢（公帑），大細超去救果班高薪厚祿o既財金高層，小市民其實極唔甘心

對極對極！我一開始就是這樣說！
這個道理很簡單，譬如你把自己的房子燒掉，我會不會買一閒新的房子給你，再給你一些炸彈，然後在希望如果有機會，時間/財力允許下，你慢慢還錢給我，不還也ok。

會不會？當然不會。

作者: ＬＵ 時間: 2008-9-30 11:11 AM

原帖由 infjlam 於 2008-9-30 06:34 AM 發表
除左個個都對個市失晒信心外，
華府動用納稅人金錢（公帑），大細超去救果班高薪厚祿o既財金高層，小市民其實極唔甘心

講真, 嗰班財金界大佬平時無事搵埋搵埋咁多, e+ 攪出事就潛哂水咁, 美國嘅故事會唔會都响香港案件重組係我嘅擔心

作者: benny1219 時間: 2008-9-30 11:36 AM

原帖由ＬＵ於 2008-9-30 11:11 AM 發表

講真, 嗰班財金界大佬平時無事搵埋搵埋咁多, e+ 攪出事就潛哂水咁, 美國嘅故事會唔會都响香港案件重組係我嘅擔心

哩班人真係無乜資格出來同人說教

因為美國不少財金官員出身在投資大行他們本身都是金融創新一份子獲取高厚薪金
不過佢地有好彩巳經成功上左岸這班人紛紛鐘沒有勇氣買番自已創造出來的金融產品

作者: terryng2 時間: 2008-9-30 11:41 AM

玩la 完la美國
我d$都係,我還有好多股票的

usa間間都話唔店,現在真是不知道幾時無事
我現在好憎usa,搞事搞什麼次按

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-9-30 12:55 PM

A sian Markets fall on U.S. bailout failure

updated 1 hour, 14 minutes ago

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作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-9-30 02:05 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-9-30 12:55 PM 發表
A sian Markets fall on U.S. bailout failure

updated 1 hour, 14 minutes ago

美國再怎麽說也是指標國，他pk, 全世界不用好過。還好沒有動用那七千億，不然更會火上加油，不止跌那麽多。本來如果看dow有稍微止瀉，七千億就會通過，不過dow在完成議案前已經開始狂瀉，所以不通過，因爲根本按不住。那七千億如果丟下去，好比一顆石頭丟進黑洞裏。

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作者: AWU 時間: 2008-9-30 02:27 PM

7千億咁少, 梗唔批啦

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-9-30 03:31 PM

原帖由 AWU 於 2008-9-30 02:27 PM 發表
7千億咁少, 梗唔批啦

根據ron paul, 市場上已經有多過7千億credit, 再加7千億是無補于事

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-9-30 03:54 PM

又奇蹟日

最新 | 升跌 | 最高
17,919.03 | ↑38.35 | 17,975.08

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-9-30 03:59 PM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-9-30 03:54 PM 發表
又奇蹟日
最新 | 升跌 | 最高
17,919.03 | ↑38.35 | 17,975.08

能夠守住17000已經是奇跡

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-9-30 04:21 PM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-9-30 03:59 PM 發表

能夠守住17000已經是奇跡

收18000樓上

作者: benny1219 時間: 2008-9-30 05:03 PM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-9-30 03:54 PM 發表
又奇蹟日
最新 | 升跌 | 最高
17,919.03 | ↑38.35 | 17,975.08

不會吧
竟都可以升135.53

大家莫非深信中央會放水救市

作者: 100fun 時間: 2008-9-30 06:20 PM

長貧難顧! 做生意損手就要有人救, 咁買左股票果 d 都要人救啦.

作者: Paul71 時間: 2008-9-30 09:08 PM

The Congress won't vote again until Thursday because of Jewish Holidays...Anyway, the US stock market should continue to drop and retest the the prior low. The Dow may drops below 10000 in short term...

作者: ＬＵ 時間: 2008-9-30 09:49 PM

我老豆同我講話..........美國國會唔通過議案, 係因為美國啲人好多都爭銀行好多卡數, e+ 宜得間銀行早啲摺埋, 咁佢哋就可以唔使還卡數

有無人咁狗架

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-9-30 10:21 PM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-9-30 03:54 PM 發表
又奇蹟日
最新 | 升跌 | 最高
17,919.03 | ↑38.35 | 17,975.08

DOW J
10,625.18 | ↑259.73

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-9-30 10:27 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-9-30 10:21 PM 發表

DOW J
10,625.18 | ↑259.73

回光返照.....

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-9-30 11:12 PM

McCain takes hit from bailout collapse

McCain said the bill failed "because we haven't convinced people that this is a rescue effort, not just for Wall Street, but for Main Street America, for working families, for small businesses, for the heartland of America.

"I may fail a first or second or third time, but we have to get this job done for America. And I have a plan to restore our economy," McCain added.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-9-30 11:37 PM

原帖由ＬＵ於 2008-9-30 09:49 PM 發表
我老豆同我講話..........美國國會唔通過議案, 係因為美國啲人好多都爭銀行好多卡數, e+ 宜得間銀行早啲摺埋, 咁佢哋就可以唔使還卡數有無人咁狗架 ...

不是卡數而是房屋貸款，沒有錢還就要被銀行售樓。但是銀行不是說突然閒會不做，他們只是被別的銀行收購，譬如washinton mutual, 破產，聯邦政府收購，轉手給jp morgan chase, 美國政府一定要保障國民的銀行戶口，所以是轉售而不是直接close down.

作者: ＬＵ 時間: 2008-10-1 12:57 AM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-9-30 11:37 PM 發表

不是卡數而是房屋貸款，沒有錢還就要被銀行售樓。但是銀行不是說突然閒會不做，他們只是被別的銀行收購，譬如washinton mutual, 破產，聯邦政府收購，轉手給jp morgan chase, 美國政府一定要保障國民的銀行戶口，所以是轉售而 ...

講真, 我覺得我老豆個講法都有點偏激..........................

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-1 01:08 AM

原帖由ＬＵ於 2008-10-1 12:57 AM 發表

講真, 我覺得我老豆個講法都有點偏激..........................

偏激得黎都有點可愛~

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-1 04:20 AM

議員坦言：我也擔心會失業
大選政治掛帥，為免得失選民，議員寧願叛變，也要保住議席。結果，岌岌可危的 21 名共和黨議員中則有 18 人投反對票，選情同樣不穩的 15 名民主黨議員有 10 人投反對票。共和黨議員 Paul Ryan 就說得坦白：「選民有很強烈意見，我也擔心會失業。」

選舉政治掛帥，救市已變次要。但沒救市方案，金融風暴將吹向經濟層面，將令美國推進衰退深淵，現在距離大選約有五周，一旦經濟惡化，叛變議員恐怕難辭其咎，難保議席。共和黨議員 Grey Walden 就批評投反對票的同僚：「這是相當危險，他們正在玩火！」 [轉載] appledaily.atnext.com

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-1 05:34 AM

共和黨議員 Paul Ryan 就說得坦白：「選民有很強烈意見，我也擔心會失業。」

很多人不明白他在説什麽，美國議會的蟬聯率是99%，基本上如果你沒有死掉，你就可以當選。

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-1 06:06 AM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-10-1 05:34 AM 發表
共和黨議員 Paul Ryan 就說得坦白：「選民有很強烈意見，我也擔心會失業。」

很多人不明白他在説什麽，美國議會的蟬聯率是99%，基本上如果你沒有死掉，你就可以當選。 ...

What kind of butt shit it is.

I mean the situation, not yours

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-1 06:24 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-1 06:06 AM 發表

What kind of butt shit it is. I mean the situation, not yours

corrupt policy and votes, Congress incumbency rate is always at the 98-99%

作者: ktwu2007 時間: 2008-10-1 07:45 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-1 06:06 AM 發表

What kind of butt shit it is. I mean the situation, not yours

要下星期四先再開會, 到時道指得番 6~7千點, 先來救我諗用七萬億都唔夠.....

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-1 09:57 PM

Bailout: Senate to vote Wednesday

The Senate plans to vote on the $700 billion bank rescue plan Wednesday evening - two days after the House failed to pass it.

DOW J 10,738.52 -112.14

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-2 09:48 AM

The Senate has approved a modified $700 billion financial rescue plan just two days after a vote failed in the House.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-3 12:14 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-2 09:48 AM 發表
The Senate has approved a modified $700 billion financial rescue plan just two days after a vote failed in the House.

the new bill and the old bill are the same, sure there's a little more coverage, like from 100,000 to 250,000 and a little more tax cuts to the normal people, but the money still comes from the treasury, the money still goes to the banks and "investors" who got the rest of us in this mess in the first place. The only change is that the House has reelections coming along soon, and the Senate doesn't, they can do whatever they want.

作者: feuosma 時間: 2008-10-3 12:46 AM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-10-3 12:14 AM 發表

the new bill and the old bill are the same, sure there's a little more coverage, like from 100,000 to 250,000 and a little more tax cuts to the normal people, but the money still comes from the trea ...

Lee3大....你意思係就算今次過到參議院...但係跟住一樣都會過唔到眾議院???

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-3 01:02 AM

原帖由 feuosma 於 2008-10-3 12:46 AM 發表

Lee3大....你意思係就算今次過到參議院...但係跟住一樣都會過唔到眾議院???

過到又死，唔過又死

作者: feuosma 時間: 2008-10-3 01:17 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-3 01:02 AM 發表

過到又死，唔過又死

點解???你意思係個數仍然唔夠照???

好耐冇同你講過野.....

不過要訓.....

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-3 02:35 AM

原帖由 feuosma 於 2008-10-3 12:46 AM 發表

Lee3大....你意思係就算今次過到參議院...但係跟住一樣都會過唔到眾議院???

I wish. If the House rejects it, it will be for the best, but I thought the House votes first, then goes to the Senate.
quote: http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri- ... -final-decision.htm

It contains two provisions favored by House Republicans: One raises thelimit on federal bank-deposit insurance; the other reiterates theauthority of securities regulators to suspend asset-valuing rules thatcorporate executives blame for fueling the crisis"

Tax provisions in the new version of the plan are expected to win thenecessary votes in the House of Representatives, several politiciansdeclared for the US media and the international press agencies.

In laymen terms, the amount they insure is higher, but most people don't have that much in the bank. The other gives power to the government, power the federal reserve already has.

Basically it's pork. A 700 billion dollar pork barrel.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-3 04:50 AM

Dow falls 348 as investors worry that the House won't approve the $700B plan.
"There's still concern about whether or not the House will pass the bill and even if they do, whether it will be effective," said Ron Kiddoo, chief investment officer at Cozad Asset Management.

"When you restrict credit, you restrict the ability of commerce to grow to its potential," said Gus Scacco

"Banks have a limited amount of capital to dole out, so even if you are a company that is seeing decent growth, you are probably having a hard time getting a loan," he said.

The higher bank lending rates directly impact consumers too, he said, making it hard to get auto loans, or loans for a mortgage or tuition. Credit card companies are approving less people or trimming lines of credit, leaving individuals with less buying power. Consumer spending fuels two-thirds of economic growth.

Bailout: The core of the bill allows the Treasury Department to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage assets from banks, to be held and eventually sold off if and when the market improves. Ideally, with cleaner balance sheets, banks would start lending to each other again, loosening up the nearly frozen credit markets.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-3 05:48 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-3 04:50 AM 發表
Dow falls 348 as investors worry that the House won't approve the $700B plan.
"There's still concern about whether or not the House will pass the bill and even if they do, whether it will be effective ...

and there is NOTHING on returning the money. Hence the biggest problem. Notice that everyone the report quotes work at high managerial positions. The bailout is intended to give these fkfaces a lot of free money from the government. These people are the same people who got the US and the REST OF THE WORLD in this financial crisis. The people who support the bill ARE THESE FKFACES' FRIENDS. That is why you DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BILL.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-3 06:27 AM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-10-3 05:48 AM 發表

and there is NOTHING on returning the money. Hence the biggest problem. Notice that everyone the report quotes work at high managerial positions. The bailout is intended to give these fkfaces a lot ...

I can't agree more with your point;

However, nobody on earth has such a big bullet that can halt the crisis except from US Government.

AIG has vanished, and so do many of the banks next door to you will follow. uc davis will have "Zero" budget for the scholarship. Students like me have no money to eat in school cafe and cafe owner can't borrow money for the bank and

.
Worst, some freshman can't borrow school loan anymore and want to keep their life style, they might start considering PT dancing at night and weekend.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-3 01:42 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-3 06:27 AM 發表

I can't agree more with your point;
However, nobody on earth has such a big bullet that can halt the crisis except from US Government.
AIG has vanished, and so do many of the banks next ...

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/165008/Tax-Wealthy-to-Pay-For-Bailout.html

that guy has the balls.

I've been reading the news like a hound. The House will MOST LIKELY pass it. The future is doomed.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-3 10:09 PM

10,607.34 | ↑124.49

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-3 11:28 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-3 10:09 PM 發表
10,607.34 | ↑124.49

the market is rising because people are going "hey, this is a good buying time", not just people here in the US, but people all around the world. The world is one big international market, what happens here affects the world, just as something in the HK market affects the US. This is why we do not need the 700 billion bill, we need to STOP printing more money, we need to STOP devaluing the dollar, the world WANTS to BUY. The last time someone printed out so much money, devalued their money so much, was Japan. They brought down the entire continent of Asia.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-4 02:24 AM

$700B bailout passes
President Bush poised to quickly sign historic $700 billion plan into law.

Woman, 90, shoots self inside foreclosed home
.... telling her story. "This bill fails to address the fact that millions of homeowners are facing foreclosure, are facing the loss of their home. This bill will take care of Wall Street, and the market may go up for a few days, but democracy is going downhill."

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-4 02:43 AM 編輯 ]

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-4 04:10 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-4 02:24 AM 發表
$700B bailout passes
President Bush poised to quickly sign historic $700 billion plan into law.

Woman, 90, shoots self inside foreclosed home
.... telling her story. "This bill fails to a ...

That is the root inherent problem OF THIS BILL. THIS IS WHY IT WAS IT WAS BLOCKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT TO DESTROY ALL NORMAL AMERICANS, BOTH MCCAIN AND OBAMA APPROVED OF IT. AND WE EXPECT THOSE TWO TO LEAD THE COUNTRY? TO WHAT, INEVITABLE DESTRUCTION?

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-4 05:28 AM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-10-4 04:10 AM 發表

That is the root inherent problem OF THIS BILL. THIS IS WHY IT WAS IT WAS BLOCKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT TO DESTROY ALL NORMAL AMERICANS, BOTH MCCAIN AND OBAMA APPROVED OF IT. A ...

Block 左又 Approve....

Approve 左又未必好

呢個事世，
做 Student 最好，
乜都唔駛理~

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-5 12:19 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-4 02:24 AM 發表
$700B bailout passes
President Bush poised to quickly sign historic $700 billion plan into law.

Woman, 90, shoots self inside foreclosed home
.... telling her story. "This bill fails to a ...

Fannie Mae forgives loan for woman who shot herself
"We're going to forgive whatever outstanding balance she had on the loan and give her the house," Faith said. "Given the circumstances, we think it's appropriate."

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-5 12:21 AM 編輯 ]

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-5 04:39 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-4 05:28 AM 發表

Block 左又 Approve....
Approve 左又未必好

呢個事世，
做 Student 最好，
乜都唔駛理~

no, being a student sucks, being Non-American is the best. Not only is my tuition based on financial aid, I also work. Therefore not only are they taking my tax money, and instead of giving it back through financial aid, they have no money for financial aid because they're giving it all to the rich people.

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-5 12:19 AM 發表 [url=redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=2882565&ptid=191349][/url]

Fannie Mae forgives loan for woman who shot herself
"We'regoing to forgive whatever outstanding balance she had on the loan andgive her the house," Faith said. "Given the circumstances, we think i...

yes technically, they can get the loan back from her relatives. This is WHY WE DONT BAIL THEM OUT.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-6 05:59 AM

i saw this on facebook:
National Debt
After reading about the 700 billion, i thought hey, what about our national debt. Well, as we all know, it's about 10 trillion, tetering around 11 trillion, and i have facts to prove it.
In fact, aside from my little commentaries, all statistical facts are from the Treasury website, you know, where Paulson works.
So how much exactly does the US owe? Down to the PENNY?
Current Debt 10/02/2008
Held by the Public 5,869,084,491,601.97
Intragovernmental Holdings 4,279,664,792,482.18
Total Public Debt Outstanding
10,148,749,284,084.15

See that BIG FAT number under DEBT HELD BY THE PUBLIC?
That's what we owe. But that's not doing it justice, no, not even close. Let's break it down, TREASURY style.

What is the Debt Held by the Public?

The Debt Held by the Public is all federal debt held by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments, and other entities outside the United States Government less Federal Financing Bank securities. Types of securities held by the public include, but are not limited to, Treasury Bills, Notes, Bonds, TIPS, United States Savings Bonds, and State and Local Government Series securities.

Now apparantly individuals and corporations are in the same category, because you know we make millions if not billions in our entry level jobs with no benefits and can barely cover rent, I know I DO. Now suddenly the market collapses, oh no! We have to save these corporations even though they're the ones who have been gouging the market with 1) outsourcing 2) firing low level employees to protect the assets of the HIGH management 3) selling companies like commodities thereby creating an unstable work place and fluid work force who will shift from job to job. Then there are the banks, who lend money of course. To people who have a history of not paying back money, SUB-PRIME mortgages they call it. Wow, that sounds like an awesome idea, give money to people who don't pay it back. Sounding similiar to something else? HOLD ON for JUST a second. Now let's see for a second, 5,869,084,491,601.97, who's been hitting the shopping? You? Me? We could but that would mean that we will have to spend just about 24/7 buying from Armani and Hermes, and buying everything in bulk of 200 ( i dont know, i'm just making an example). Still, who do you think contributed to this debt the most? The individuals or the corporations? Probably the latter right? So apparantly it's fair that we foot that bill. Of course.

Now back to that point earlier i told you to hold onto. Remember the details?
1)Loan LOTS of money
2)to a person(s) with NO CREDIT
3)and is not expected to be paid back "in full", in full is a direct quote
4)the money is used to buy assets

well, let's see how it goes. Well since you're buying with borrowed money, it's a mortgage right? I mean we've played monopoly. Having no credit, that's not being "good" or "top"
So NOT so good/top quality mortgages. What's it called again? sub-good? no. that word is used with Ribs too. PRIME. there we go. SUB-PRIME MORTGAGES!
Wait, so in order to save the economy from these bad sub-prime mortgages, we dish out a 700 billion dollar SUB-PRIME MORTGAGE.

And we vote for these people? Not bernanke and paulson, they get appointed. That's the government's way of saying "haha" (in the nelson muntz voice of course)

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/go ... debt.htm#DebtMakeup

[ 本帖最後由 Lee3 於 2008-10-6 06:45 AM 編輯 ]

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-6 10:07 PM

Dow plummets more than 300 points, falling below 10,000 for the first time in nearly 4 years, as anxiety over global slowdown grows.

Analysts doubt $700 billion bailout will be enough to avert a major shakeout

               最新          | 升跌
DOW J    9,956.77  |    -368.61

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-6 10:24 PM 編輯 ]

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-6 10:47 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-6 10:07 PM 發表
Dow plummets more than 300 points, falling below 10,000 for the first time in nearly 4 years, as anxiety over global slowdown grows.

Analysts doubt $700 billion bailout will be enough to avert ...

get 7000 points in very nearby future.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-6 10:50 PM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-10-6 10:47 PM 發表

get 7000 points in very nearby future.

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-6 10:58 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-6 10:50 PM 發表

9,832 now

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-7 04:32 AM

Dow claws back --
ending down more than 300 points, after an 800-point deficit --
dropping below 10,000 for first time in 4 years.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-7 09:44 PM

The Federal Reserve today announced a new program to help the battered market for short-term business loans.

Cautious optimism returns to market

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-7 09:51 PM 編輯 ]

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-8 01:48 AM

9,681.270 ↓274.23

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-8 03:22 AM

Bush: 'We're going to come through'
President reassures citizens, says government actions will prevent a painful and deep recession.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-8 03:52 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-8 03:22 AM 發表
Bush: 'We're going to come through'
President reassures citizens, says government actions will prevent a painful and deep recession.

...

yea and Iraq is "Mission Accomplished".

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-8 05:32 AM

炒膿股票求助增，20%人想死
當中不少是教師、銀行職員及醫護人員等以往較少陷入財困的人士

dowj 9,447.11 ↓508.39 (Closed)

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-8 05:57 AM 編輯 ]

作者: qulapo 時間: 2008-10-8 11:22 AM

as i have said since august 2007, when the credit crunch first started, cash is king

http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=158717&page=1&authorid=78217

cash rich companies will be best suited to survive and possibly come out on top

any company that relies on loans to fund daily operations will go bankrupt

regardless of the size of bailouts around the world, all governments can do is slow and perhaps limit the number of bankruptcies

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-8 03:08 PM

又奇蹟日???

作者: darrens 時間: 2008-10-8 08:46 PM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-10-8 03:08 PM 發表
又奇蹟日???

今日(8/10)的結果是

HSI:

15,431.730

-1,372.03

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-9 05:43 AM

七大央行減息救全球
野村證券駐倫敦利率策略部主管

貝爾說，
多國央行聯手減息，
反映他們終於明白信貸危機的嚴重性，
此舉已令主要長期利率回落，
有助恢復市場信心，
但未必是全球所有經濟問題的靈丹妙藥。

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-9 10:56 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-9 05:43 AM 發表
七大央行減息救全球
野村證券駐倫敦利率策略部主管貝爾說，
多國央行聯手減息，
反映他們終於明白信貸危機的嚴重性，
此舉已令主要長期利率回落，
有助 ...

其實這一次的災難已經還好了。爲什麽這樣說？因爲我們有即時通訊，全世界的市場可以同步救市。那些大集團可以立刻抽離，普通市民也同樣可以即時抽離。早20年，每一個人都要打電話過去wall st, 如果這是在20年前，絕對是the second great depression, 不過現在雖然是“Depression", 沒有30年不會恢復到災難前的經濟，這次已經是還好。Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, 等等的大銀行沒有破產，為美國抵擋這最後一到防綫，如果他們也倒了。美國10000000000%完全經濟癱瘓，美金=worthless, 連zimbabwe也會比我們好。爲什麽會完全癱瘓？美金是以“信用“作爲價值的，意思說，美國的國債+美國在全世界的信用=美金的價值。所以如果美國所有的銀行都倒了，美金的價值就只能用國債來支撐，不過美國的國債是10trillion, 所以根本就在negative, 所以美金會沒有價值。

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-9 11:19 AM

原帖由 Lee3 於 2008-10-9 10:56 AM 發表

其實這一次的災難已經還好了。爲什麽這樣說？因爲我們有即時通訊，全世界的市場可以同步救市。那些大集團可以立刻抽離，普通市民也同樣可以即時抽離。早20年，每一個人都要打電話過去wall st, 如果這是在20年前，絕對是the s ...

其實這一次的災難已經還好了。爲什麽這樣說？因爲我們有即時通訊，全世界的市場可以同步救市。那些大集團可以立刻抽離，普通市民也同樣可以即時抽離。早20年，每一個人都要打電話過去wall st, 如果這是在20年前，絕對是the second great depression, 不過現在雖然是“Depression", 沒有30年不會恢復到災難前的經濟，這次已經是還好。
<-- Power of the Internet... 太依賴互聯網也不是一件好事,有朝一日互聯網都摺埋就.....

Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, 等等的大銀行沒有破產，為美國抵擋這最後一到防綫，如果他們也倒了。美國10000000000%完全經濟癱瘓，美金=worthless, 連zimbabwe也會比我們好。
<---你街尾果間Bank仔仲未摺禾

爲什麽會完全癱瘓？美金是以“信用“作爲價值的，意思說，美國的國債+美國在全世界的信用=美金的價值。所以如果美國所有的銀行都倒了，美金的價值就只能用國債來支撐，不過美國的國債是10trillion, 所以根本就在negative, 所以美金會沒有價值。
<---吓, 美國在全世界的信用 = 美金的價值 - 美國的國債 => Credit = Value - Debt, ===> 好似又幾岩禾!

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-9 11:35 AM 編輯 ]

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-9 12:31 PM

The US treasury secretary has warned some banks will still fail despite the $700bn government rescue package to shore up the financial system.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7660403.stm

so when's he's asking for the 700 billion without oversight he's like "yea, just give us the money, it's 700 billion it'll fix everything" and now after he's got the money, SPENT IT. Oh shit, it was not enough, and now the whole world will go down.

Here's how it goes, the world is one big market. The internet and phone system has made it so, we can reach anyone in the world within seconds. Common fact. However, the problem with that is, if one place crashes, so does the world. This is what's happening. Now, how do we fix this, well if you have a broken seam, you just pull everybody closer and close it. That's how the market works, if the US market fails, well the markets in UK, Japan, China, etc can come in and buy our stocks. Cheap = buy, high = sell. What the 700 billion does is, it throws in 700 billion out of the blue from thin air. It wasn't there before, it has to be created. PROBLEM. Money doesn't come from trees, Money comes from the VALUE, by making NEW money every time something comes up, makes it worth less. The more you print the less it's worth. Now it IS possible that the market value of the dollar can be less than a dollar. That's the problem going on right now. Because we've thrown in NEW MONEY into the system, there's a sudden shift of money flow, well the normal people and businesses go "oh shit i can't compete with 700 billion" so they pull out. Well the problem with that is, THEIR money is a continuous flow, it constantly replenishes itself, the 700 billion runs out. Especially since the market is supporting the whole world.

Basically, people are just holding out, they're not willing to throw in their money because their money are being depreciated, it's not worth as much as it's nominal value. So they wait til it drops more, drop so low it compensates for that 700 billion, and then their money will be worth the same or more than what it is.

The American market is a beached whale right now, it's dead and no one wants to touch it because they don't know if it'll blow up. Literally, beached whales, the dead ones, when they start to decompose, gasses build up on the inside, and sometimes it blows up because the skin can't hold that much gas. Back to my point, the only thing standing between complete market destruction and failure of the COUNTRY is literally like 4-5 banks. Those guys are so big that they can buy out those toxic firms, and still hold still. However, if no money is flowing through, they will still go broke, and when they do, the American dollar will be worthless. It will be worth less than the material it's made of.

Now the interesting is, one of the main reasons it's getting worse is panic. People are pulling out their bank accounts, their life savings, their checking, everything. The problem with that is, the banks need that money to survive. See, when we put money in banks, the bank doesn't store it as like a vault, it keeps a portion of it in cash, and use the rest in stocks, funds, trusts, and such. And when they make money with YOUR money, they cut you a percentage called the "interest", to keep you "interest"ed. Now what happens when large crowds pull out their money, well the bank DON'T have enough cash to actually give everyone their money back, so they have to sell their stocks, funds, trusts, etc to get that cash. Which then makes them poor, as they can only make money off of your money since they have no money. Those of you who play stocks know, if you dont have sufficient money, then well, too bad. You don't own anything. You don't have anything. Same with banks, once a good percentage pulls out, they don't have enough money to run, and they fail. That's why the FDIC protects up to 100,000 dollars. It's so that people DON'T pull out of these banks from fear. The FDIC has never deferred any payments, it's good.

Now what's egging this fear on is that no one in the white house, congress, federal reserve, treasury, the candidates know jack shit how to fix this. No one knows how to even look at this crisis. I don't know about you, but if the ENTIRE government and the FUTURE government don't know how to even approach a problem, you have a BIG problem. People understand that, and no one can actually come out and say, "hey, don't be afraid, this is the problem, this is how to ease it". Now realistically, no one expects anyone to be able to fix this within 30-50 years. All they want to know is, are their money safe. And it is. People need reassurance, if it's up to me, I would get the chairman of the FDIC to come out, and we'll have a speech together. We'll explain to people what is going on, and how they are protected. Because 1) you're not lying 2) you're calming people down 3) you're not making the problem bigger 4) you're making the problem smaller 5) that's how you show initiative and leadership.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-9 12:32 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-9 11:19 AM 發表

其實這一次的災難已經還好了。爲什麽這樣說？因爲我們有即時通訊，全世界的市場可以同步救市。那些大集團可以立刻抽離，普通市民也同樣可以即時抽離。早20年，每一個人都要打電話過去wall st, 如果這是在20年前，絕對是the s ...

yea i'm actually surprised my bank is still up and running, i'd thought it'll be bought out by Bank of America when the crisis hits.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-10 03:41 AM

Dow falls about 300 points pulling it below 9,000 -- its lowest intraday level since July 1, 2003.

What the Fed has done is eventually going to help turn things around, but people don't believe it yet," said Gary Webb, CEO at Webb Financial Group.

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-10 06:29 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-10 03:41 AM 發表
Dow falls about 300 points pulling it below 9,000 -- its lowest intraday level since July 1, 2003.

What the Fed has done is eventually going to help turn things around, but people don't believe it ye ...

What has the Fed done that didn't screw up the economy farther? So that's how they fix things? Screw it up and then miraculously it will jump back up?

They can't even come out to the American public and explain to them WHAT they have done. In fact, the only people they ever talk to is banks and occasionally Congress. The problem with that is they control the money of EVERY American.

作者: darrens 時間: 2008-10-10 01:06 PM

源自香港討論區的一個轉貼,也解釋了為何美國政府出左近萬億美元已令自已身陷險境
自行將discus.com.hk聯起即可
http://www.di sc us s.co m.hk/viewthread.php?tid=8271506

[轉] 簡單易明次按,CDS,危機來源過程
你知道美國金融危機有多嚴重嗎?
　　對金融危機最普遍的官方解釋是次貸問題，然而次貸總共不過幾千億，而美國政府救市資金早已到了萬億以上，為什麼危機還是看不到頭？
　　
　　
　　有文章指出危機的根源是金融機構採用「槓桿」交易；另一些專家指出金融危機的背後是62萬億的信用違約掉期（Credit Default Swap, CDS）。那麼，次貸，槓桿和CDS之間究竟是什麼關係？它們之間通過什麼樣的相互作用產生了今天的金融危機？
　　
　　
　　為通俗易懂起見，我們使用了幾個假想的例子。有不恰當之處歡迎批評討論。
　　
　　一、槓桿：
　　
　　
　　目前，許多投資銀行為了賺取暴利，採用20－30倍槓桿操作，假設一個銀行A自身資產為30億，30倍槓桿就是900億。也就是說，這個銀行A以30億資產為抵押去借900億的資金用於投資，假如投資盈利5％，那麼A就獲得45億的盈利，相對於A自身資產而言，這是150％的暴利。反過來，假如投資虧損5％，那麼銀行A賠光了自己的全部資產還欠15億。
　　
　　
　　二、 CDS合同：
　　
　　
　　由於槓桿操作高風險，所以按照正常的規定，銀行不進行這樣的冒險操作。所以就有人想出一個辦法，把槓桿投資拿去做「保險」。這種保險就叫CDS。
　　比如，銀行A為了逃避槓桿風險就找到了機構B。機構B可能是另一家銀行，也可能是保險公司，諸如此類。
　　
　　
　　A對B說，你幫我的貸款做違約保險怎麼樣，我每年付你保險費5千萬，連續10年，總共5億，假如我的投資沒有違約，那麼這筆保險費你就白拿了，假如違約，你要為我賠償。
　　
　　
　　A想，如果不違約，我可以賺45億，這裡面拿出5億用來做保險，我還能淨賺40億。如果有違約，反正有保險來賠。所以對A而言這是一筆只賺不賠的生意。
　　
　　
　　B是一個精明的人，沒有立即答應A的邀請，而是回去做了一個統計分析，發現違約的情況不到1％。如果做一百家的生意，總計可以拿到500億的保險金，如果其中一家違約，賠償額最多不過50億，即使兩家違約，還能賺400億。
　　A,B雙方都認為這筆買賣對自己有利，因此立即拍板成交，皆大歡喜。
　　
　　
　　三、CDS市場：
　　
　　
　　B做了這筆保險生意之後，C在旁邊眼紅了。C就跑到B那邊說，你把這100個CDS賣給我怎麼樣，每個合同給你2億，總共200億。B想，我的400億要10年才能拿到，現在一轉手就有200億，而且沒有風險，何樂而不為，因此B和C馬上就成交了。
　　
　　
　　這樣一來，CDS就像股票一樣流到了金融市場之上，可以交易和買賣。實際上C拿到這批CDS之後，並不想等上10年再收取200億，而是把它掛牌出售，標價220億；D看到這個產品，算了一下，400億減去220億，還有180億可賺，這是「原始股」，不算貴，立即買了下來。一轉手，C賺了20億。從此以後，這些CDS就在市場上反覆的抄，現在CDS的市場總值已經抄到了62萬億美元。
　　
　　
　　四、次貸：
　　
　　
　　上面A,B,C,D,E,F....都在賺大錢，那麼這些錢到底從那裡冒出來的呢？從根本上說，這些錢來自A以及同A相仿的投資人的盈利。而他們的盈利大半來自美國的次級貸款。人們說次貸危機是由於把錢借給了窮人。
　　
　　
　　筆者對這個說法不以為然。筆者以為，次貸主要是給了普通的美國房產投資人。這些人的經濟實力本來只夠買自己的一套住房，但是看到房價快速上漲，動起了房產投機的主意。他們把自己的房子抵押出去，貸款買投資房。這類貸款利息要在8％－9％以上，憑他們自己的收入很難對付，不過他們可以繼續把房子抵押給銀行，借錢付利息，空手套白狼。
　　
　　
　　此時A很高興，他的投資在為他賺錢；B也很高興，市場違約率很低，保險生意可以繼續做；後面的C,D,E,F等等都跟著賺錢。
　　
　　
　　五、次貸危機：
　　
　　
　　房價漲到一定的程度就漲不上去了，後面沒人接盤。此時房產投機人急得像熱鍋上的螞蟻。房子賣不出去，高額利息要不停的付，終於到了走頭無路的一天，把房子甩給了銀行。此時違約就發生了。
　　
　　
　　此時A感到一絲遺憾，大錢賺不著了，不過也虧不到那裡，反正有B做保險。B也不擔心，反正保險已經賣給了C。
　　
　　
　　那麼現在這份CDS保險在那裡呢，在G手裡。G剛從F手裡花了300億買下了100個CDS，還沒來得及轉手，突然接到消息，這批CDS被降級，其中有20個違約，大大超出原先估計的1％到2％的違約率。每個違約要支付50億的保險金，總共支出達1000億。加上300億CDS收購費，G的虧損總計達1300億。雖然G是全美排行前10名的大機構，也經不起如此巨大的虧損。因此G瀕臨倒閉。
　　
　　六、金融危機：
　　
　　如果G倒閉，那麼A花費5億美元買的保險就泡了湯，更糟糕的是，由於A採用了槓桿原理投資，根據前面的分析，A賠光全部資產也不夠還債。因此A立即面臨破產的危險。除了A之外，還有A2，A3,...,A20，統統要準備倒閉。因此G,A,A2,...,A20一起來到美國財政部長面前，一把鼻涕一把眼淚地遊說，G萬萬不能倒閉，它一倒閉大家都完了。財政部長心一軟，就把G給國有化了，此後A,...,A20的保險金總計1000億美元全部由美國納稅人支付。
　　
　　
　　七、美元危機：
　　
　　
　　上面講到的100個CDS的市場價是300億。而CDS市場總值是62萬億，假設其中有10％的違約，那麼就有6萬億的違約CDS。這個數字是300億的200倍。如果說美國政府收購價值300億的CDS之後要賠出1000億。那麼對於剩下的那些違約CDS，美國政府就要賠出20萬億。如果不賠，就要看著A20,A21,A22等等一個接一個倒閉。無論採取什麼措施，美元大貶值已經不可避免。
　　
　　
　　以上計算所用的假設和數字同實際情況會有出入，但美國金融危機的嚴重性無法低估。

冇一個國家的央行會有6萬億美元資金做後盾..........所以任生似乎要快手快腳同美元脫鈎,否則死左都不知什麼事

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-10 09:44 PM

October 10, 2008 9:25 AM ET
Dow Jones 8,165.26 -413.93 / -4.82%

October 10, 2008 9:46 AM ET
Dow Jones 8,401.25 -177.94 / -2.07%

Bush appeals for confidence
"We can solve this crisis - and we will," said Bush.

"Here's what the American people need to know: The U.S. government is acting, and we will continue to act, to resolve this crisis and return stability to our markets," he said.

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-10 11:50 PM 編輯 ]

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-11 12:52 AM

Bush's speech Today~

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Here is the text of President Bush's speech concerning the financial crisis:
Good morning. Over the past few days, we have witnessed a startling drop in the stock market - much of it driven by uncertainty and fear. This has been a deeply unsettling period for the American people. Many of our citizens have serious concerns about their retirement accounts, their investments, and their economic well-being.
Here's what the American people need to know: that the United States government is acting; we will continue to act to resolve this crisis and restore stability to our markets. We are a prosperous nation with immense resources and a wide range of tools at our disposal. We're using these tools aggressively.

The fundamental problem is this: As the housing market has declined, banks holding assets related to home mortgages have suffered serious losses. As a result of these losses, many banks lack the capital or the confidence in each other to make new loans. In turn, our system of credit has frozen, which is keeping American businesses from financing their daily transactions - and creating uncertainty throughout our economy.
This uncertainty has led to anxiety among our people. And that is understandable - that anxiety can feed anxiety, and that can make it hard to see all that is being done to solve the problem. The federal government has a comprehensive strategy and the tools necessary to address the challenges in our economy. Fellow citizens: We can solve this crisis - and we will.

Here are the problems we face and the steps we are taking:

First, key markets are not functioning because there's a lack of liquidity - the grease necessary to keep the gears of our financial system turning. So the Federal Reserve has injected hundreds of billions of dollars into the system. The Fed has joined with central banks around the world to coordinate a cut in interest rates. This rate cut will allow banks to borrow money more affordably - and it should help free up additional credit necessary to create jobs, and finance college educations, and help American families meet their daily needs. The Fed has also announced a new program to provide support for the commercial paper market, which is freezing up. As the new program kicks in over the next week or so, it will help revive a key source of short-term financing for American businesses and financial institutions.

Second, some Americans are concerned about whether their money is safe. So the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the National Credit Union Administration have significantly expanded the amount of money insured in savings accounts, and checking accounts, and certificates of deposit. That means that if you have up to $250,000 in one of these insured accounts, every penny of that money is safe. The Treasury Department has also acted to restore confidence in a key element of America's financial system by offering government insurance for money market mutual funds.

Thirdly, we are concerned that some investors could take advantage of the crisis to illegally manipulate the stock market. So the Securities and Exchange Commission has launched rigorous enforcement actions to detect fraud and manipulation in the market. The SEC is focused on preventing abusive practices, such as putting out false information to drive down particular stocks for personal gain. Anyone caught engaging in illegal financial activities will be prosecuted.

Fourth, the decline in the housing market has left many Americans struggling to meet their mortgages and are concerned about losing their homes. My administration has launched two initiatives to help responsible borrowers keep their homes. One is called HOPE NOW, and it brings together homeowners and lenders and mortgage services and others to find ways to prevent foreclosure. The other initiative is aimed at making it easier for responsible homeowners to refinance into affordable mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration. So far, these programs have helped more than 2 million Americans stay in their home. And the point is this: If you are struggling to meet your mortgage, there are ways that you can get help.

With these actions to help to prevent foreclosures, we're addressing a key problem in the housing market: The supply of homes now exceeds demand. And as a result, home values have declined. Once supply and demand balance out, our housing market will be able to recover - and that will help our broader economy begin to grow.

Fifth, we've seen that problems in the financial system are not isolated to the United States. They're also affecting other nations around the globe. So we're working closely with partners around the world to ensure that our actions are coordinated and effective. Tomorrow, I'll meet with the finance ministers from our partners in the G7 and the heads of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank. Secretary [Henry] Paulson will also meet with finance ministers from the world's 20 leading economies. Through these efforts, the world is sending an unmistakable signal: We're in this together, and we'll come through this together.

And finally, American businesses and consumers are struggling to obtain credit, because banks do not have sufficient capital to make loans. So my administration worked with Congress to quickly pass a $700 billion financial rescue package. This new law authorizes the Treasury Department to use a variety of measures to help bank (sic) rebuild capital - including buying or insuring troubled assets and purchasing equity of financial institutions. The Department will implement measures that have maximum impact as quickly as possible. Seven hundred billion dollars is a significant amount of money. And as we act, we will do it in a way that is effective.
The plan we are executing is aggressive. It is the right plan. It will take time to have its full impact. It is flexible enough to adapt as the situation changes. And it is big enough to work.

The federal government will continue to take the actions necessary to restore stability to our financial markets and growth to our economy. We have an outstanding economic team carrying out this effort, led by Secretary of the Treasury Hank Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, SEC Chairman Chris Cox, and FDIC Chair Sheila Bair. I thank them and their dedicated teams for their service during this important moment in our country's history.

This is an anxious time, but the American people can be confident in our economic future. We know what the problems are, we have the tools we need to fix them, and we're working swiftly to do so. Our economy is innovative, industrious and resilient because the American people who make up our economy are innovative, industrious and resilient. We all share a determination to solve this problem - and that is exactly what we're going to do. May God bless you.

閱後語： 其實，當戰爭時期，係未唔應該懷有異心，要一心服從 Commander of Chief 的命令去打贏呢場仗至再算呢？

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-11 01:09 AM 編輯 ]

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-11 02:16 AM

DJ兩次試穿8000

作者: infjlam 時間: 2008-10-11 02:30 AM

低處未見低

呢鑊唔知點收科

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-11 02:46 AM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-10-11 02:16 AM 發表
DJ兩次試穿8000

8,000 / 600 = 兩星期工作天玩完~

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-12 11:54 AM

原帖由 infjlam 於 2008-10-11 02:30 AM 發表
低處未見低

呢鑊唔知點收科

God?

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-13 04:46 AM

Well at least we know what AIG is doing, GOING ON A RETREAT
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/ ... er/story.aspx?guid={CDA1827B-FC98-4320-80E9-CD0239BDC80F}&dist=hpts

Senate chair gets mad over AIG retreat
Baucus 'outraged' over $442,000 trip for firm's insurance agents
By Sam Mamudi, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Sen. Max Baucus, chairman of the Senate's Finance Committee, expressed his anger Thursday over a lavish trip taken by insurance agents at American Insurance Group Inc. just days after the government stepped in to save AIG from bankruptcy.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-13 10:08 PM

Stocks soar on rescue plans
Dow rallies 400 points as investors cheered the global response to the crisis.

The Treasury Department this morning outlined how it will move forward with the $700 billion rescue package enacted less than two weeks ago.

Dowj 8,799.01 +347.82

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-13 11:58 PM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2008-10-13 10:08 PM 發表
Stocks soar on rescue plans
Dow rallies 400 points as investors cheered the global response to the crisis.

The Treasury Department this morning outlined how it will move forward with the $700 billion ...

500+ now

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-14 12:22 AM

9000啦

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-14 02:42 AM

原帖由 d228216 於 2008-10-14 12:22 AM 發表
9000啦

DOW j 9,042.90

+591.71 / +7.00%

守得雲開見月明

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-14 05:23 AM

Dow bounces back with biggest point jump ever...
Percentage gain is biggest since 1933

Stocks rallied today, with the Dow up more than 900 points as investors bet that the worst of the credit crisis is over

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-14 06:02 AM 編輯 ]

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-14 10:12 AM

最入世的經濟學家　《紐約時報》專欄作家 　
預示亞洲金融風暴　預示美國樓市崩潰
克魯明奪諾貝爾獎

今年的諾貝爾經濟學獎得主，在金融海嘯肆虐全球之中誕生。經濟學獎被批評過去頒太多獎給自由市場學派的人，間接鼓勵華爾街的貪婪不受控，釀成金融海嘯。今年經濟學獎，果然就頒給一個不認為市場萬能的人 ─ ─ 美國經濟學家克魯明（ Paul Krugman ），一個預測亞洲金融風暴的經濟學家，一名猛烈批評喬治布殊總統的《紐約時報》專欄作家，一位用流暢文筆將經濟智慧帶入大眾的學者。對於救市措施，他認為英國昨日注資入股銀行是做對了。

55 歲的克魯明現為普林斯頓大學經濟與國際事務

授，在耶魯大學畢業、麻省理工學院拿博士學位，是薩繆爾森（ Paul Samuelson ）和索羅（ Robert Solow ）的愛將，屬新凱恩斯學派，主張自由貿易，卻不反對政府干預，政見傾向自由派，關心政府政策對貧富差距的影響。

批共和黨為「蠢人黨」
克魯明這位經濟學家，最令人印象深刻的，是 1994 年在亞洲經濟一片看好聲中，他獨指出亞洲經濟奇

過譽，尤其是東南亞國家的經常賬赤字高企，早晚會出現危機。三年後的亞洲金融風暴印證他的預言，技驚四座，成為經濟學大紅人。對於這場金融海嘯，克魯明也有很多意見，指喬治布殊放寬監管華爾街和財政政策太寬鬆是成因之一，今年 3 月預測美國樓市平均要跌 25% ，樓市之後又果然崩圍。
在周日發表的文章中，他指金融海嘯的核心問題就是銀行資不抵債，制止危機最直接了當的方法，就是入股注資，英國白高敦政府直接注資銀行和金融機構的方案，顯示「願意對金融危機作出清晰思考，然後當機立斷」，直搗問題核心；而美國財長保爾森買起問題資產的方案，只是出於小政府意識形態盲點。
他又批評共和黨在金融海嘯的表現，指已變成「蠢人黨」，總統候選人麥凱恩不懂經濟。他對喬治布殊政府更向來不留情面，他在《紐約時報》專欄中，對喬治布殊批評毫不留情，從加州能源危機、減稅政策和伊拉克戰爭等都辛辣批評；又指喬治布殊是歷來說謊最多的總統，聯儲局前主席格林斯潘在國會公開支持喬治布殊的減稅措施，是濫用職權，應為此道歉。

「最能寫的經濟學家」
克魯明昨日清早知道得獎後，咖啡未喝就向記者談論經濟現況：「我們正目擊一場危機，嚴重得像亞洲 1990 年代的那次，這場危機有點類似大蕭條。」他指英國帶領各國救市後，「今日我沒有上周五那麼害怕。」
克魯明研究範疇多，著作也多，著寫和合著至少 29 本書、超過 200 篇學術文章。 1999 年起更在《紐約時報》寫專欄，透過流暢清晰的文筆，深入淺出地跟大眾分享他的獨到意見，有人推崇他是「凱恩斯以來最能寫的經濟學家」。評審委員會成員埃林森（ Tore Ellingsen ）說：「克魯明不止是個科學家，也是個意見領袖。」
克魯明說，他的作風不會因得獎而改變：「這個獎會增加知名度，但希望不會令我要去太多純名人活動。」他將得到 1,000 萬瑞典克朗（ 1,088 萬港元）， 12 月 10 日在斯德哥爾摩領獎。

美國《紐約時報》 / 美聯社 / 路透社 / 法新社 / 諾貝爾獎官方網站 -- appledaily.atnext.com

[ 本帖最後由 Triangel 於 2008-10-14 10:14 AM 編輯 ]

作者: d228216 時間: 2008-10-14 10:20 AM

美股絕地大翻身
道指破紀錄升 936 點

美國與歐洲推出連串穩定金融市場，紓緩信貸緊絀的措施，刺激環球股市絕地大幅反彈，紐約股市三大指數齊齊暴升逾 11% 。

道瓊斯工業平均指數上升超過九百點，企穩 9000 點樓上，收報 9387 點，升 936 點，創歷來最大單日點數升幅。納斯達克指數收報 1844 點，升 194 點。標普五百指數亦重上 1000 點。

而英國、法國及德國股市，收市升幅介乎 8% 至 11% 。倫敦富時 100 指數收市報 4256 點，升 324 點；法國 CAC 指數收市報 3531 點，升 355 點；德國 DAX 指數收報 5062 點，升 518 點。

作者: Lee3 時間: 2008-10-14 01:59 PM

you mean the world is NOT ending? YAY

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-15 10:24 PM

政府百分百對存戶包底
香港好勁呀

http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?tid=192300&goto=lastpost#lastpost

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-16 11:16 PM

Stocks in zigzag
Encouraging news on jobs and inflation countered by big losses from Citi and Merrill.
Merrill Lynch reported results shortly after 6:30 a.m. ET, saying its third-quarter loss was worse than expected, largely due to $8.5 billion in writedowns related to bad mortgage debt.

Citi posted a smaller-than-expected quarterly loss at 7:00 a.m. ET, though the bank said its revenue was lower than analysts' predictions. The loss was partially due to about $12 billion in writedowns related to credit and loan losses

作者: Triangel 時間: 2008-10-17 10:27 PM

Bush defends bailout
President explains intervention in financial system as necessary to prevent a wider crisis
Bush said the government would limit its intervention in size and scope, and did not intend to nationalize the banking system. "The government intervention is not a government takeover," he said.

作者: Triangel 時間: 2009-3-4 02:40 AM

60 people get jobs today from stimulus package today.

Good Job Pres Obama

we have 3,500,000 - 6 = 3,499,994 Job position to be filled....

作者: clkgtr 時間: 2009-3-4 02:49 AM

原帖由 Triangel 於 2009-3-4 02:40 AM 發表
60 people get jobs today from stimulus package today.

Good Job Pres Obama
we have 3,500,000 - 6 = 3,499,994 Job position to be filled....

60 peoples or 6 peoples

作者: Triangel 時間: 2009-3-4 03:52 AM

原帖由 clkgtr 於 2009-3-4 02:49 AM 發表

60 peoples or 6 peoples

Good catch

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