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作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-26 08:12 PM 標題: Should Liverpool Be Allow To Defend Their Title ??

I think this decison is important for Gerrard to stay or not..
If they can't be in the CL next season, I think Gerrard will go..

Latest news: UEFA said Rules are Rules, so only the first 4 team in the league will be in the CL next year.
but they did not made a firm decsion yet.

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-26 08:14 PM

No ( Rules are Rules )

今天不守規矩
明天所有球隊都可以唔駛守規矩

[ Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-5-26 at 08:30 PM ]

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-26 08:32 PM

冠军不准来卫冕冠军杯，成何体统。
而且赞助商与电视转播已在一个多月前抗议，
认为必须修改条规。

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-26 08:40 PM

Originally posted by VictorTan at 2005-5-26 08:32 PM:
冠军不准来卫冕冠军杯，成何体统。
而且赞助商与电视转播已在一个多月前抗议，
认为必须修改条规。

咁世界盃都唔知成何體統LU

作者: 改造人08 時間: 2005-5-26 08:42 PM 標題: 大家覺得利物浦下年歐聯會唔會以衛冕冠軍身份出現歐聯?

如果下年冇衛冕冠軍，歐聯可能冇咁好睇

作者: 零捨窿 時間: 2005-5-26 08:47 PM

又唔係阿仙奴

Please behave yourself
-15

[ Last edited by brightlee on 2005-5-26 at 11:16 PM ]

作者: 改造人08 時間: 2005-5-26 08:53 PM

想當年巴塞羅那都係聯賽踢得唔好，為左參加下屆歐聯而博老命

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-26 08:54 PM

世界杯以前都系卫冕冠军同主办国直接入围，
系近来先至改条例。世界杯关系国家，
但冠军杯只关系到球会，不应混为一谈。

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-26 08:57 PM

Originally posted by 零捨窿 at 2005-5-26 08:47 PM:
又唔係阿仙奴,關我7事

Did u see Arsenal in the 標題??
This is abt Liverpool, not Arsenal..

作者: shaqkobe 時間: 2005-5-26 09:00 PM

一定有啦！無可能唔俾個機會利記去試下衛冕架喎。

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-26 09:03 PM

If the defending champion is not allow to play,
than the entertainment is much more lower,
because every team hope that they can win the cham,
and build up reputationfrome there,
than every team will try all the way to beat the cham,
that will increase lots of entertainment and nice attacking game,
Everton is not very lousy,but they will end up before the group stages,
if they don't bring in at least 6 top class player.
Who will like to watch TV when Everton is playing?

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-26 09:05 PM

I think Liverpool should know the rules at the start of the season.
and they knew fifth place team can not qualify for CL,
but they went for the CL this year instead of fighting for 4th place..
so I think they should not be allowed to be in CL next seson...

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-26 09:08 PM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-26 09:05 PM:
I think Liverpool should know the rules at the start of the season.
and they knew fifth place team can not qualify for CL,
but they went for the CL this year instead of fighting for 4th place..
so I think they should not be allowed to be in CL next seson...

絕對同意

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-26 09:15 PM

OK! Even I agree with you,but I know that the sponsors & TV telecast already made noise to the UEFA if the defending champion is not allow to play,that is why the Chief change his word and say that if Liverpool win the cup,and if ENG FA request,they will hold a meeting in Manchester to discuss this matter,as a fan of Liverpool,I definately hope that everything go fine with The Reds.

作者: llkksej15 時間: 2005-5-26 09:28 PM

sponser(maybe reebox) ofcourse want Liverpool to play next year la......
but for me, I ain't care whether Liverpool can't play next year or not..... I think most of teams want to beat the teams like Chealsea, Real, Arsenal, ManU rather than Champion Liverpool.....

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-26 09:45 PM

我都唔見今年有邊隊話一定要贏defending champion PORTO
好明顯地大家都當佢冇到
證明defending champion 存在與否
大家係唔關心的

作者: llkksej15 時間: 2005-5-26 09:58 PM

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-5-26 09:45 PM:
我都唔見今年有邊隊話一定要贏defending champion PORTO
好明顯地大家都當佢冇到
證明defending champion 存在與否
大家係唔關心的

我都唔記得 Porto 贏咗上次冠軍

作者: terry369 時間: 2005-5-26 10:10 PM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-26 09:05 PM:
I think Liverpool should know the r...

very good point

例一早已經訂下, 無論是如何沒有娛樂性, 不滿, 都應該遵守法例
如果發覺例是有問題的, 為何不再季初說? 為何不在一月說?

我覺得好多好球員,尤其是那些明星級球員, 因為在攞左準決賽累積了足夠黃牌, 就不能在決賽上場, 那戰鬥力及娛樂性都會大減, 那我們是否為了可觀性及娛樂性就改例呢?

作者: terry369 時間: 2005-5-26 10:15 PM

近廿年只有九十年代的AC能夠衛冕成功一次, 當然俾個機會利物浦亦是沒有太大的影響力
不過歐洲足協領導人在近幾年很多事上都搖擺不定, 一時呢樣一時個樣, 最後俾利物浦踢都唔奇

作者: cream 時間: 2005-5-27 01:28 AM

Real Madrid play even they finish outside top 4 as well la.
The problem is not Rules are Rules.
The problem is the rules are non-existent what happen if the winner finish top 4
Up to the FA of that country wor..play the FA mei
Besides, if you have read the news, the English FA
wrote in their OFFICIAL website that winner get in with the expense of the 4th team
but they changed the mind. this year
The rules are the FA of that country decide whether to enter the 4th team or the winner
if they choose the 4th team..
oh well..that is their choice
But this grey area gives inconsistency..sounds like if your team is big enough i.e. Real Madrid
then you can enter, otherwise, the 4th team enter

Win it once is better than finishing 4th and couldn't win it every year
Would rather they win it then to finish 4th.
So.. Well Done.. LIVERPOOL

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-27 01:31 AM

Originally posted by shaqkobe at 2005-5-26 09:00 PM:
一定有啦！無可能唔俾個機會利記去試下衛冕架喎。

冇錯,就算佢地冇咩機會衛冕成功,但係總要比機會人地嫁嘛~

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-5-27 01:32 AM

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-5-27 01:31 AM:

冇錯,就算佢地冇咩機會衛冕成功,但係總要比機會人地嫁嘛~

冇錯 !!!!

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-27 01:46 AM

I think Uefa will want Liverpool to be in the Uefa Cup...
so Uefa can get more profit.......
Now football is not pure football anymore,
Its about Money

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-5-27 01:50 AM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-27 01:46 AM:
I think Uefa will want Liverpool to be in the Uefa Cup...
so Uefa can get more profit.......
Now football is not pure football anymore,
Its about Money

UEFA Cup ?????

不如利記唔踢 UEFA Cup 抵制佢啦

作者: cream 時間: 2005-5-27 01:54 AM

use 2nd-tier player for UEFA cup lor..and also the pointless Super Club Championship or whatever
resting Gerra and Carra for league
yeah..we would play Harry Kewell for UEFA cup.

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-5-27 02:00 AM

UEFA Cup???

歐聯一哥去打UEFA Cup???

UEFA 冇野呀 ?

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-27 02:01 AM 標題: Latest News

Mike Harris, chairman of Welsh Premier League champions TNS, believes he has found an answer, one which would serve Liverpool's purpose and boost the coffers of his own club in the process.

Harris is proposing a one-off game, with the winner taking up a place in the first qualifying round of the Champions League, which belongs to TNS by right.

'We've an open mind to a pre-qualifier for our position in the Champions League,' said Harris on BBC Wales Sport

'Such a play-off would enjoy huge media coverage. It would bring the image of our league to the whole of the UK.

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-5-27 02:04 AM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-27 02:01 AM:
Mike Harris, chairman of Welsh Prem...

play-off game?

with Everton?

but it will make Liverpool more tired on account of an additional match

also, when ???

now? or...................?

Liverpool may be lack of condition at that time...........>O<

作者: night 時間: 2005-5-27 02:04 AM

而家英國fa俾1-4位
但係uefa俾人搵到衛冕直入..

有戲睇..A___A

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-5-27 02:11 AM

Originally posted by night at 2005-5-27 02:04 AM:
而家英國fa俾1-4位
但係uefa俾人搵到衛冕直入..

有戲睇..A___A

搵到衛冕直入????

作者: night 時間: 2005-5-27 02:18 AM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-5-27 02:11 AM:

搵到衛冕直入????

之前uefa話過衛冕直入ga

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-27 02:22 AM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-5-27 02:04 AM:

play-off game?

with Everton?...

No, One play off game with TNS
TNS is the Wales Champion, they have a spot in the first round of CL
They want to have a Play off game with Liverpool for the spot

Maybe TNS know they will lose in the first round anyway,
so they want to get more money by playing liverpool

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-27 02:25 AM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-27 02:22 AM:

No, One play off game with TNS
...

Its like if Liverpool beat TNS, Liverpool will take TNS spot for the 1st round,
If TNS win, they keep their spot for 1st round..

But its up to UEFA to decide if this is the solution or not...

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 02:40 PM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-27 02:25 AM:

Its like if Liverpool beat TNS, Liverpool will take TNS spot for the 1st round,
If TNS win, they keep their spot for 1st round..

But its up to UEFA to decide if this is the solution or not...

If TNS agree to do that,maybe that is a way too!
But now football in the world is really money matter,
nobody can ask Everton to give way,Champion League games involve
15millions pound to each team.But as a fan of THE REDS,
I really hope that they can involve in Champion League.
Asking THE KING OF EUROPE to play lower grade football is rediculious.

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-27 02:49 PM

唔俾
席位就係得咁多，有乜理由要人地俾多一個位你？
仲有，補充一點，而家講緊話同另一隊踢附加賽我都反對
席位點可以讓黎讓去？

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 02:54 PM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 02:49 PM:
唔俾
席位就係得咁多，有乜理由要人地俾多一個位你？
仲有，補充一點，而家講緊話同另一隊踢附加賽我都反對
席位點可以讓黎讓去？

IF UEFA ，ENG FA & WALES FA agree,than你自己写信去反到你够。

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-27 03:01 PM

Originally posted by VictorTan at 2005-5-27 02:54 PM:

IF UEFA ，ENG FA & WALES FA agree,than你自己写信去反到你够。

我唔會去反對到夠
我只會對UEFA同兩國足總表示失望，既然自己定左規則，為什麼又要自己打破佢。

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 03:14 PM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 03:01 PM:

我唔會去反對到夠
我只會對UEFA同兩國足總表示失望，既然自己定左規則，為什麼又要自己打破佢。

人地系为左呈献更高水准GA足球！

作者: ming8964 時間: 2005-5-27 07:22 PM 標題: 利物浦應退出!!!

八五年希素球場慘劇令英格蘭球隊被禁參賽五年, 令英格蘭足球蒙羞, 是利物浦欠了英格蘭球壇, 其中損失最慘重的是愛華頓, 其時正值連穫兩屆冠軍, 正滿懷希望進軍歐聯, 卻被利物浦破壞, 是利物浦欠了愛華頓一個公道, 是時候要還, 再者, 如愛華頓再被聯賽成績較差的利物浦奪去席位,勢必加劇雙方積怨, 為日後暴力衝突埋下伏線.
利物浦現時實力不足, 恐不能兼顧歐聯及英超, 何不順水推舟,放棄歐聯,專注英超, 或有意想不到的收穫!!!

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-27 08:58 PM

Originally posted by ming8964 at 2005-5-27 07:22 PM:
八五年希素球場慘劇令英格蘭球隊被禁參賽五年, 令英格蘭足球蒙羞, 是利物浦欠了英格蘭球壇, 其中損失最慘重的是愛華頓, 其時正值連穫兩屆冠軍, 正滿懷希望進軍歐聯, 卻被利物浦破壞, 是利物浦欠了愛華頓一個公道, 是時候要還, 再者, 如愛華頓再被聯賽成績較差的利物浦奪去席位,勢必加劇雙方積怨, 為日後暴力衝突埋下伏線.
利物浦現時實力不足, 恐不能兼顧歐聯及英超, 何不順水推舟,放棄歐聯,專注英超, 或有意想不到的收穫!!!

講得好

!!!!!!!!!!
支持愛華頓
還愛華頓一個公道

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-27 09:36 PM

Originally posted by ming8964 at 2005-5-27 07:22 PM:
八五年希素球場慘劇令英格蘭球隊被禁...

I didn't know this....thanks for the information

UEFA's executive committee is set to decide on on June 17

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-27 09:38 PM

Originally posted by lliu at 2005-5-27 09:36 PM:
I didn't know this....thanks for the information
UEFA's executive committee is set to decide on on June 17

so the best way is let's wait for their decision

[ Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-5-27 at 09:41 PM ]

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-27 09:40 PM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 02:49 PM:
唔俾
席位就係得咁多，有乜理由要人地俾多一個位你？
仲有，補充一點，而家講緊話同另一隊踢附加賽我都反對
席位點可以讓黎讓去？

咁攞冠軍黎做咩???答下我

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-27 09:43 PM

Originally posted by ming8964 at 2005-5-27 07:22 PM:
八五年希素球場慘劇令英格蘭球隊被禁參賽五年, 令英格蘭足球蒙羞, 是利物浦欠了英格蘭球壇, 其中損失最慘重的是愛華頓, 其時正值連穫兩屆冠軍, 正滿懷希望進軍歐聯, 卻被利物浦破壞, 是利物浦欠了愛華頓一個公道, 是時候要還, 再者, 如愛華頓再被聯賽成績較差的利物浦奪去席位,勢必加劇雙方積怨, 為日後暴力衝突埋下伏線.
利物浦現時實力不足, 恐不能兼顧歐聯及英超, 何不順水推舟,放棄歐聯,專注英超, 或有意想不到的收穫!!!

咁樣講對利物浦唔公平,愛華頓實力都係不足,一樣都兼顧唔到英超同歐聯嫁啦= ="

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 10:04 PM

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-5-27 09:43 PM:

咁樣講對利物浦唔公平,愛華頓實力都係不足,一樣都兼顧唔到英超同歐聯嫁啦= ="

除左利记球迷，其他人惊利记来季实力大增，
会有很大威胁，尤其依家个各知道利记教头一流，
所以大力反对。二十年前GA野，利记都道歉左，
又拎出黎讲，洗唔洗禁小气。
如果呢次系曼联遇到禁GA情况，点为禁易罢休。

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-27 10:28 PM

Originally posted by VictorTan at 2005-5-27 10:04 PM:

除左利记球迷，其他人惊利记来...

咪係....n年前既事就算啦,加上當時已經罰左啦,依家都唔會犯呢d錯嫁啦~

作者: szetoafk 時間: 2005-5-27 10:34 PM

除非有球隊願意讓出席位, 否則不能隨意修改既定條例

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-27 11:36 PM

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-5-27 09:40 PM:

咁攞冠軍黎做咩???答下我

攞冠軍為左名同利

名譽:貴為歐州頂級賽事既冠軍，證明利物浦既實力。
利益:巨額冠軍獎金，加上晉級路途上既門票收益同獎金。

咁你又認為攞冠軍為左乜？
唔會係為左攞下屈歐聯既一個小小既參賽資格掛？

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-27 11:38 PM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 11:36 PM:

攞冠軍為左名同利

名譽:貴為歐...

你所講既的確係所有球隊想要既,但係利記打生打死都係想要下年個參賽資格

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 11:42 PM

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-5-27 11:38 PM:

你所講既的確係所有球隊想要既,但係利記打生打死都係想要下年個參賽資格

RIGHT ！利记要荣誉！要多一次建立红军王朝。

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-27 11:44 PM

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-5-27 11:38 PM:

你所講既的確係所有球隊想要既,但係利記打生打死都係想要下年個參賽資格

咁我覺得只能怪佢地係聯賽踢得麻麻
利物浦只要係聯賽再俾多少少心機，踢多一兩場對Ａ米果１０幾分鐘既好波
我相信佢地一早有果個歐聯參賽資格。

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 11:48 PM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 11:44 PM:

咁我覺得只能怪佢地係聯賽踢得麻...

你讲DI野系好正确，
但是冠军无得踢冠军杯会令比赛失色。

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-27 11:51 PM

一队要卫冕，一队要做低冠军，
禁球赛先至要意思。
冠军杯冠军失左踪，真系好奇怪。

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-27 11:56 PM

都唔算奇怪啦
今年衛冕果隊波圖都踢到不知所謂

唔係車仔放水差d連十六強都入唔到。
十六強即刻俾國米送佢返葡萄牙

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-28 12:00 AM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 11:44 PM:

咁我覺得只能怪佢地係聯賽踢得麻...

但係佢地始終攞左歐聯冠軍,無得話人地係聯賽踢得唔好就冇得打

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-28 12:01 AM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 11:56 PM:
都唔算奇怪啦
今年衛冕果隊波圖都踢到不知所謂
唔係車仔放水差d連十六強都入唔到。
十六強即刻俾國米送佢返葡萄牙

最緊要係有得打~唔好話16強啦,32強都唔比人打,係唔係有d怪呢,身為冠軍球隊竟然冇得踢= ="

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-28 12:08 AM

Originally posted by abc123aa at 2005-5-28 12:01 AM:

最緊要係有得打~唔好話16強啦,32強都唔比人打,係唔係有d怪呢,身為冠軍球隊竟然冇得踢= ="

波圖有得打因為同時亦係上年葡超冠軍。

作者: abc123aa 時間: 2005-5-28 12:13 AM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-28 12:08 AM:

波圖有得打因為同時亦係上年葡超冠軍。

鬼唔知咩,我講緊係利物浦連32強都冇得打呀= ="

作者: VictorTan 時間: 2005-5-28 12:14 AM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-27 11:56 PM:
都唔算奇怪啦
今年衛冕果隊波圖都踢到不知所謂
唔係車仔放水差d連十六強都入唔到。
十六強即刻俾國米送佢返葡萄牙

波图系个教练走佬，
兼好球员走晒，
唔得同利记同日而语。
禁样比较好唔通！

作者: 段云 時間: 2005-5-28 12:21 AM

剛剛上網睇一睇，下載左UEFA既規則。
發現左D野，同大家分享
係規則入面既1.03係咁講既
1.03 At the request of the national association concerned, the UEFA Champions
League title-holders may be entered for this competition, as an additional
representative of that association, if they have not qualified for the UEFA
Champions League via the top domestic league championship. If, in such a
case, the title-holders come from an association entitled to enter four teams
for the UEFA Champions League, the fourth-placed club in the top domestic
league championship has to be entered for the UEFA Cup
照規則睇，
咁利物浦係應該有得打歐冠既
而愛華頓只能打歐協。
所以，矛頭應該指向英國足總，唔係UEFA
因為好似係英國足總開聲話俾愛華頓打歐冠。
應該係罵英國足總點解俾個席位愛華頓，而唔好再罵UEFA點解唔俾多一個席位利物浦

[ Last edited by 段云 on 2005-5-28 at 12:22 AM ]

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-28 12:28 AM

Originally posted by 段云 at 2005-5-28 12:21 AM:
1.03 At the request of the national association concerned, the UEFA Champions
League title-holders may be entered for this competition, as an additional
representative of that association, if they have not qualified for the UEFA
Champions League via the top domestic league championship. If, in such a
case, the title-holders come from an association entitled to enter four teams
for the UEFA Champions League, the fourth-placed club in the top domestic
league championship has to be entered for the UEFA Cup

SO THIS IS ONLY REFER BACK TO RM CASE IN PREVIOUS YEAR

作者: Gretzky 時間: 2005-5-28 01:26 AM

For the record, I am on the other side of the Mersey River (so you know which team i support).

Is it impossible to find a crack in the rulebook? Not really. But it is hard to do it in such an official way now.

Based on past behaviour, English FA is unlikely to bend and change its decision. And our bro says it well, the animosity between Everton and Liverpool is similiar to the one with Real Madrid and Barca....it's hostile! Nobody wants to stir up trouble cuz hooligans can make the clubs pay dearly.

We can argue for/against with our reasoning, but the fact is both UEFA and English FA has too much at stake here. The Welsh solution is an interesting one, but I wonder that would undermine the proud and stubborn figures of the two governing bodies.

Adding a fifth spot is out of the question....it's impossible with the scheduling.
Taking Everton out would be a dumb move for the credibility of both FA and UEFA.

it is a delicate situation....either way someone or some board would need thick skin and take the heat on June 16.

[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-5-28 at 01:45 AM ]

作者: lliu 時間: 2005-5-28 01:38 AM

I think FA only have 2 choice left:
Everton or Liverpool for the last spot
Coz I don't think UEFA will let 5 teams to represent one country
this will be unfair to other country.....

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-5-28 01:49 AM 標題: Euro big guns get behind Liverpool bid

Pressure has increased on UEFA to include Liverpool in the Champions League next season after G14, the grouping of elite European clubs, called for the Reds to be allowed to defend their trophy.
G14 was the body that forced UEFA to expand the Champions League in 1998 by threatening to set up a breakaway competition and now they have thrown their weight behind Liverpool, one of their founder members.

A G14 spokesman said: 'We support the desire to see Liverpool defend their trophy and the matter will be raised at our management board meeting next month.

'We believe UEFA should look at ways of allowing this to happen.'

The organisation is made up of 18 powerful clubs including Real Madrid, AC Milan and Bayern Munich - as well as Manchester United and Arsenal - and a formal approach will be made to UEFA after the G14 meeting in Amsterdam on June 9.

Meanwhile, the FA's chairman Geoff Thompson, who is also a UEFA vice-president, has continued lobbying for there to be five English clubs in the Champions League so Liverpool can defend their crown.

His main argument is that nearly all the 52 UEFA member countries would be given an extra place in the Champions League in similar circumstances - apart from England, Spain and Italy because they are already allowed four teams in the competition.

The FA believe that is an inconsistency in the regulations and that even if UEFA are not convinced on this occasion they should change the rules for the future.

Thompson said: 'We are working extremely hard to try to secure the extra place for Liverpool.

'Our basic concern is to ensure that all 52 countries have the same opportunity. There is an additional place guaranteed should the champions come from 49 countries in Europe but not for the other three - England, Italy and Spain.

'We are saying that there should be a level playing field and that every country should have the same opportunity.'

Liverpool will have to wait three weeks before they will know one way or another - the issue will be decided by UEFA's 15-man executive committee at their meeting in Manchester on June 17.

There is some hope for Liverpool because UEFA president Lennart Johansson is understood to be broadly supportive, and his influence is extremely important though not necessarily decisive.

Mario Lefkaritis, a Cypriot member of UEFA's executive committee, said he would approach the meeting with an open mind.

He said: 'It is very dangerous to pre-judge anything. If the issue is raised in Manchester we have to listen to all sides and then make a decision.'

[ Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-5-28 at 02:13 AM ]

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