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1# filter-052fans

I am expected someone talked about it since MOnday... I am wondering no one talk about it until now!

That's NO RED CARD for Michael Owen incidnets

There are 7 codes for sending off (Red Cards), in that situation, there maybe 2 codes to apply this "Red card" incident,
1) Serious Foul of play
2) Denying obvious goal scoring opportunties


Normally, referee would be charged the higher codes for any cards, i.e. Violent Conduct is higher than Serious Foul of play, then Serious foul of play is higher than Denying obvious goal scoring opportunties, Denying obvious goal scoring opportunties is higher than 2 bookings of the game.

Let's think J. Carragher fouled Michael Owen,

J. Carragher was not doing serious foul of play, for example, rugby tackle, or elbowing. So that's why referee couldn't count for serious foul of play, Jamie action should be counted at reckless challenge, yellow card.

2nd question, there maybe a chance Michael Owen can have obvious goal scoring opportunties... so referee could send off Jamie Carragher (as I described before, referee would take HIGHER code if a player was occured 2 fouls in 1 action.) However, Michael wasn't facing toward goal, that's why referee, Andre Marriner was doing decision. He couldn't send off Jamie for his foul conduct and book Jamie for his careless, reckless challenge.

I think Andre Marriner did a fair game for both sides and he never did any bias to any sides, otherwise Vidic nor Mascherano couldn't need to send off in their 2nd bookings of the game. I can tell you some referees may not book Mascherano when he was charging Edwin Van Der Saar in last mins of the game.

I didn't watch the game between Arsenal and West Ham Utd, I got no comment about the referee of that game, Chris Foy

brightlee

I think Graham Poll could explain those situation really well... that's from dailymail

Graham Poll's Official Line: Sorry, Sir Alex, you're wrong - Uniteddefender Vidic rightly saw red and Liverpool captain Carra on Owen wasjust yellow

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1222963/Graham-Polls-Official-Line-Sorry-Sir-Alex-youre-wrong.html#ixzz0VTkcj7LX

Another big game; another referee under siege.

Let’s dealwith the decisions first. It is frustrating for referees to get thingsright, then be criticised by observers who are ignorant of the laws.For a player to be dismissed for denying a scoring opportunity, theplayer fouled must be heading towards the goal, not just the goal line.


Right decision: Carragher was correctly cautioned for his foul on Owen (left)


Good job: Andre Marriner got the big calls right


So when Michael Owen was pulled down by Jamie Carragher in the 87thminute, Andre Marriner had an easy, routine decision: a direct freekick and a yellow card. It could not be a red card, whatever Sir AlexFerguson and TV experts assert.
Marriner was also correct to dismiss Nemanja Vidic in stoppage time for his
secondyellow card, after he deliberately blocked Dirk Kuyt on the halfwayline — again not the denial of a scoring opportunity, but a cautionableoffence.

Carragher’s challenge on Michael Carrick was good.His momentum took him through the midfielder, but he came in from theside and got the ball.

Sir Alex suggested Marriner’sinexperience might have been a factor. It was his first top-four clash,but he is an international referee ranked fifth in England with morethan 60 games in six Premier League seasons.

brightlee

5# 艾官

無下降到!!!!
這是正確的吹法!!!

brightlee

Bright,

Seemed Lee Mason, ref from Fulham's match in week 11, disagreed to what Graham Poll said....He sent Carragher off with the 99% similar foul~~~

and Philip Degen's foul was not a striaght red ...
arthur8088 發表於 2009-11-1 06:10 AM

Let me try to find any chance to see this match
You know iinet couldn't give this match for reply .....

brightlee

Bright,

Seemed Lee Mason, ref from Fulham's match in week 11, disagreed to what Graham Poll said....He sent Carragher off with the 99% similar foul~~~

and Philip Degen's foul was not a striaght red ...
arthur8088 發表於 2009-11-1 06:10 AM

Finally I saw both incidents, I couldn't see 100% for different angles for Degen's foul so I couldn't have conclusion for that Red card incident
however, I think referee Lee Mason was right that he should sent off Carragher when he fouled Bobby Zamora.

If you could remember what I said in previous post,

the major different between both incidents, Michael Owen wasn't running towards goal, but Bobby Zamora was running toward goal. That's why referee Lee Mason got no option to send off Jamie Carragher due to: "denying obvious goal scoring opportunties"

brightlee

Bright, any comments about the ref on Chelsea Vs Man utd game???...The EPL ref has been on hot water about their decisions...

like i'm not talking about the offside decision in Terry's goal ...
arthur8088 發表於 2009-11-9 10:35 PM

I have watched about 40 mins only,
so far Mr Martin Atkinson was doing ok up to that moment.
I hope I will watch whole game on Thursday night and give you comment

I head Mr Atkinson didn't do proper job... I will watch it carefully

brightlee

12# brightlee

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filter-052fans 發表於 2009-11-5 12:10 PM

Something if that's right, that's right.. if that's wrong, there must be wrong.

I didn't think Mr Mark Clattenburg was doing great job when Arsenal vs Tottenham.. he should show at least a yellow card to David Benalty in those incidents.

Yes, Chris Foy was making an honest mistake.. Man Utd did it right to appeal that yellow card and FA "tranfers" that yellow card to the right person

brightlee

Finally I watched the whole game.

1) Yes, referee was in bad angle for Drogba vs Evans, that's why he gave a yellow card to Drogba for "player acting" instead of sending off Johnny Evans "Violent conduct". (He must regret for his decision when he watched the replay)
2) The freekick that cos Chelsea scored the winning goal, there could be debatable, cos Fletcher got the ball. But if I were Martin Atkinson, I could have given the same decision cos Darren was blocking Ashley Cole.
3) That's NO OFFSIDE for Drogba, under the new rule in FIFA instructed 2 years ago. If an attacker stayed in offside position, and couldn't deflected the block of views of defending Goal Keeper, that's NOT OFFSIDE. So a goal should be allowed in this case. If you want to "BLAME" someone, BLAME FIFA!!!! Referee just applied what's under the law book.
4) As I told before, if a referee gives 5 mins add-in time, he could give between 4 mins 30 seconds and up to 5 mins 30 seconds add in time. That's why even Chelsea got subsitution during add-in time, referee didn't give an extra 30 seconds for that. The game was finished exactly 5 mins. Of cos a lot of people may not know about this (and also I don't think that's good idea the game should be ended exactly 95 mins)
5) Mr Martin Atkinson was handling JUST OK for that game. The critical point was Johnny Evans didn't send off for his foul against Drogba, that caused players in both team heating up.