機密

司馬懿

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:, m  l- G/ `6 `$ C2 o! R' V$ R: }
' N  c, z! U* U8 X6 K+ c, T
; Q6 W% a9 l- I- J; ]
唔計司馬懿呢？

. ]8 a- L4 @; W
姜維

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:) A4 D2 m) h9 k6 |7 w9 _2 k% {

7 E- v$ J5 J* w. N  w- G  E% twhy?

# v' [1 x9 \" V
4 b2 Z1 v. K) B, g: @
智慧高之餘﹐又打得9 C* p: n. [, Z$ e. g4 e

. x+ D9 S% t. Q' L智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:+ ^- O0 X5 y4 @" T) j) E9 s
0 x" C5 N% ?  E- c& u) `
5 B1 F7 A. S& I: y- P- O
but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

: O+ }% Q  d8 X, J7 h9 J$ _+ E8 Y! X$ L: F. a/ _5 m2 q
7 \$ E" f& B. I& ^% L
Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.7 S5 i- f. p5 j. v8 b, t) c
6 e: }* p5 U2 [! z9 M7 J, p4 `2 g6 r

$ U' Y& x3 R) |4 I智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- n/ ^' o: r8 u
3 P7 ^# l4 g, `* A9 Q- B' n- B- @
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維$ ^8 f/ I+ U/ g' S
2 |/ _0 N# N& I9 ~
政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
: ^5 U, B0 C3 _8 J5 _9 ^( W
2 U2 l6 o* r" H: \/ }7 Z4 L5 }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮' K7 @- N7 `* N% Q! z
1 f: Z4 K( l6 d" h) r% l
Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:* C2 a* t# b& ?5 F$ t+ u, q
Just I think' A  k, i% @$ |8 D, Q: s
第一五分，第五一分; i& ~( T; ^& w+ c3 R6 k% ?

/ `/ C: Z- H/ g7 V諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15, u: m& W0 Y0 O: y" Y; s! H. f
司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16  k. ~) j: r1 u) {; r8 o' e% F, t
鄧艾：1+2+3+4=100 D# D) u# E5 E
姜維：2+1+1+5=9
* `; N: ^5 @" w5 a陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

8 v; r% K% S  |- y
' v2 g/ {. m6 B: j智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->6 f* f+ V5 R2 A- o; ]5 q

1 q( }  k- C8 ^0 `, B  B: z軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
9 A+ _2 q$ ?, z. V1 Y+ e# g6 K0 x3 h3 k+ E
政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
/ [1 E2 q  V; @. f/ U& w+ n! J3 V$ e# d6 w! T
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
1 i& }1 @0 `" [$ Q, G1 |/ F/ t! g# e' P
Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
' b) q4 D" n+ N
+ ~- m! [& R$ i. d! C& m6 `but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

" x, `- x/ E; r+ _3 R% L' X% t/ h# [4 a9 f4 E, T
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
" r, [) T& W5 K2 H% r  @6 S( T! n  ?
[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
( @- `4 b5 [* T% a
$ m. Z1 L% w. \4 Z( }6 l+ s2 f, r
/ m6 W5 a" e( d% D9 P! Vwhy?7 c7 y  d/ J! U- A/ I

8 O! N& Z3 x. Y, o) p! J! F其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

; e; I: U  V, z+ j- o- j" B. b# E- \4 }- B) k& T
see #22 Thus% h% Q% f* G3 Z7 }* W  s3 a

; ?' Q$ L1 Y! x智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
( F! S4 t5 n# L3 I4 s! J$ G6 @# o
( X) H! Q8 h' {$ V5 D1 M( s軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維$ m6 z+ o4 p+ {4 }

7 }7 l4 K2 y7 `; {& O& i政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
+ d% C; f& A$ D+ p" K
6 v/ N4 A  H0 o打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
( H8 `. U' m( p0 {
% d1 C" ^" @& k, ]9 a% p[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:; |, g; r8 \' }1 C8 v/ Z$ a

; _7 S' P. [5 n9 G( k2 a/ @7 S8 i. k
他比孔明更偉大

' {* F1 \2 ~7 n' `  l5 Q
3 b' q5 y8 L7 N
Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# @. N# I( T* h; d2 o: N
! M* {" i2 T# V; n" h, o- T; ]
( n% O) I, B; {* f  G: x
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

# S9 `9 B3 Z8 w; N2 x% {
yes, that's the point.