Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 x; X" O7 F4 `8 ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 e+ f( L  G+ {) w$ n又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: u. W- c! I/ H  m道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 P# f& w1 O1 e+ v8 e5 _8 a) S1 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 ^* A, Z! l5 F' ?# i! ^4 A5 H
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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. o2 D  H, |9 q  N. C- S8 ^$ H3 P+ Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& H9 V# G5 \0 ?) x8 U2 |! P  Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! e6 m8 T( \7 mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 B8 ^5 i, f+ _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 _8 n  F& z) X& ?4 c7 `
真的!!這不是反話7 \' V% d6 _! z
因為我是情感比理性強的人8 s3 e7 ^' X  H2 ~2 L* x8 T. a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 z: L+ N! U, D: u$ D* S7 Q1 x  a以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 v' M! E0 N  A. O4 j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?6 Y* ]2 b8 N) Z- @0 d& ?* v# O7 b0 \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; a* f; e3 p4 h+ B. \; ^: k
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 @3 d5 @0 L* u% i& b  nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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; N3 O! S' X" G$ Q[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 s" \% ]3 p0 a3 S2 n  K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( S2 Q2 g+ ~0 J# y" QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ _+ f$ Z9 d4 e/ E% [5 }# |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 L2 e# l( V$ G  \- p. y+ Z  i

! h( W! q  J& B9 e7 k/ Z. Lit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' `& f; i* H8 v7 U& T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 }( Z% u* F. X+ _. b/ s3 o& j5 z
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" f8 x! Q& t7 P; l; |( E4 S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) B( }5 e7 d4 J0 v3 M. D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  S# z1 F: [' O/ A
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: t+ _( @  m* A& N. o* q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; }$ F9 T) k0 |% @' t1 T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ Q4 ?* F+ n' o6 k: ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ ~+ G8 l) U8 h* I" f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 l6 E2 t  S  u: H0 i/ l5 ?! G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 N  e+ Y+ O2 x- y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 c6 W. ?9 S6 w: \9 t

" d6 Y, f; u2 d* Y* G0 _7 v: `以下是其他人的見解,
0 D" A+ T. _1 S8 p8 ?! \看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 n  Y2 C! `1 Y$ h- X

5 u* P; _/ P( o" _2 U" L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" F; w; S$ X$ }  ]  y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- D) x$ p+ C- s  |2 D2 x.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.