Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  i' t4 x$ V, ]! Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人% R" h) Z# P! u5 O/ t$ N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( B5 u( v* \* Y: M' B& D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* K4 B) [4 u1 E* n' u4 K" C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." w# f- Y, _+ L8 D7 e
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# o) l( E# c( U" i" F% v- Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 a  r, v% ^4 z8 @9 ^
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% }3 E6 T9 J" g$ d我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 {0 f0 M6 t4 f' A% w; S' U) }真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& f( X) N2 L- \* X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 o$ O3 l* J$ l  x4 A在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( _* S! d* p/ M2 H1 n$ c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: X& v4 E' H, H7 c  K% _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  ]& @' [. \/ q: [What a statement we have here?
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5 b( Z& `3 g0 K  z; ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 @# B$ A: f: t' Q) q! a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ W0 r# x3 T4 ~

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ q0 o$ L" R5 t$ X' L5 ~5 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 i# ]6 \4 }; r6 d6 ^5 [/ {& W/ G

$ w0 ~8 m7 M1 |: bit's starting because we have sins......% F2 T9 D0 z8 n' M; P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / |+ g& ^; E8 u" p% ^  H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". E: c7 S" ~+ J9 e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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+ F6 ~- z1 e! I+ Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( {; s- s+ _+ Y% s9 k$ A5 O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ K& Z' r+ h& E1 T4 U1 C3 p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' _; ]% w2 h! n4 ]3 N* u9 F
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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/ E/ x2 `$ I- q. `/ w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& y! F6 G4 b8 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 Q3 P3 x3 x- o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 k/ U: j0 I; B7 }, x. o6 _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. V7 M' r& ^% h: ~5 N) e, ~( ^0 I
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以下是其他人的見解,! y2 O2 I4 c: J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 o- Z- Z1 S+ a3 ^- `( P4 r

5 ]$ q0 k: l6 N' f3 q5 }1 [  b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 P0 }9 T3 f+ c; ~; N& ?" S不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 x, N) d. }! x4 I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 z8 o! k4 y8 I# T' o
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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" S7 J* b; h+ l$ ~% u  jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.