Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) ~3 m" @! X3 B2 j% i我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 i/ z* }* ^# X5 `& H, F" n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( a* e- {: q% U" V$ q/ O4 {/ `1 W
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 @3 [+ @& y$ n. r8 C/ n3 q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 ^$ r( F0 j. B9 b' G1 yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& U( i0 T; d0 m, M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
) k3 ~0 u6 a* v7 {( \真的!!這不是反話
" q8 f) f. J0 l, E* g因為我是情感比理性強的人3 h* E5 [4 K9 |# r. l5 r0 _! x1 ^5 r- P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# ^/ g/ f' A$ Z( ^# V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 w6 m; P* j6 C/ |" ^; [" J( G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 s- Y# G/ A% n. i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  K9 \3 ^: e* w! n/ C3 |  C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, N$ u8 _1 K: p( m  D  \4 q- A8 p

7 d! I7 F+ `+ d0 {0 u/ ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / {9 }  F$ q- |0 V* i0 }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; K. k8 N  N/ R4 P/ n& VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 t& e  U. i; _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ d/ D$ }/ k* |* s2 ?& ^"不信也沒損失"
; j! c! d; c) g5 T- q7 w% BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 Y9 h" h: @: s( [' e" y+ Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) z% q' {! V; e: z4 M/ A

2 z; _% A/ A9 [! K+ wit's starting because we have sins......
% ]% K9 T. l0 d. ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' P# I# d( w( T7 w0 Z. w# S' vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 z8 q/ e1 q8 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 D* r4 t; O( i; r1 w- D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 k3 J; |' }+ ]5 S4 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' A& q/ s4 Z6 V& [* P% |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ L, `) u# p- [5 e! f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) w" y- j5 @% ]  m( X- v6 x) I
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# J9 C% C! q$ S: `/ c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( I7 o' w9 ^- u) v5 y- F2 X3 l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 x# f# s" M/ x5 h) Y9 R7 \6 d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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5 H- O6 G* a. B+ ?/ ?5 u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 U0 J: B6 V" Z; u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 E, V% j3 f  M6 M, F# d2 t9 f2 c$ @, J以下是其他人的見解,! |' T) Z; K. U- q/ R$ s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 F$ C+ `: u- U3 s1 M信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 ]7 j) e4 P) H: f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 a4 T, |4 S9 d# i

7 _/ ], }* G& |8 w9 }& P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. q1 T% P1 y2 \7 I
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....5 e1 h, M3 D6 I' M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) x" P. F' g, Q9 D! ]+ w% ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.