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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 A; _9 E6 |- q# u( b& R/ JWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 F1 {0 x8 _# g* ]I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
" [, n; W0 L- ^9 Z2 M7 oso銀行可以不斷放款- L0 Y5 [: O3 D2 M# e( x
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界2 H# t- {. ?  D# ]; W. a
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mortgage loan 8 v# @# r. k4 G( F$ J3 E2 ?8 c
>conduit
3 n4 ^% R* a, Q0 h>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
% n/ D8 Z8 B- L) c>arranger
" W9 P" Y6 B" P>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
8 y8 K3 U& ~6 q* g% p最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 d+ z" T+ [" v& l5 u
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
" X! k4 ~, j) m4 E8 J: p7 p7 Omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 Q1 R7 h% b) r
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ `, X. N' S) R6 U- b4 X
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 n: E2 Z5 E* k( o8 aAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 |0 c, C4 W1 D
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 @4 P  y/ ?% `$ @! `$ A( Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' E* |% P7 c7 q: F8 ]3 M4 qeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ s  ~; |% \  I; Y% O/ L' f: \banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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2 }/ A9 O0 ]- E* y) @  vim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 u* H# |2 U9 ^/ N* n/ min stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
* z+ u1 b! I6 M7 \For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
  q+ F" f- s# _( E/ @6 x8 }9 O1 iA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# p: A6 T3 ~! l! x$ D5 \! iThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ M( H: L; a+ T! C* A+ t' Q* P
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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  ^: W" e+ M, C) F[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' i/ g7 }2 \( M( \
Refer to last example,
9 s! i+ L% s& ]1 `. q+ dthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' `0 g/ L: l0 F1 m* p# |9 l
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; O3 x3 \2 |( ]/ ^3 \% K3 T6 _( w& i/ m( W
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
4 W$ @; n' s( n$ Z  pso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
# _* \2 x" P. c( M0 d$ Q) S' tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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% Z) d9 d7 u4 c. O, Lthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,   L5 O8 h0 I; q$ B8 C
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 5 e# m; v( Z5 W. {. _5 I5 t: D; n' l
it's the problem of the debt itself.
# }5 b2 h6 D5 G" g* }5 Hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ W. P6 x, S, ?+ m+ t1 L小弟一直都唔明...& `1 J1 `* u7 L' t
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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  G7 o! m& F, \  I3 e無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答, z- {2 x( ~# Y

7 T: V3 V4 M% J& ~) n# r/ pThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 j) ^2 R0 a0 c% t  z8 O各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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! w. d* T  h) [$ [5 g' w/ E4 F- @http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. }5 A4 T( R1 f6 p$ P0 p$ A5 K! |當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高) i) f+ D; Q* W1 a! F" e4 o- R- ~0 K
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! M; }. C2 A, b
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& ]2 b+ ?/ D% x1 @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 `( B$ }* j  b( h8 j6 ~計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
" M  k( `4 A* I4 `前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
# p5 V2 t1 f. I: e同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% q- F5 C0 \  W& ?6 E4 e3 R; X
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ k& F* U7 H+ V# [8 S  M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 m% G& I& }, V5 j
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# K* C! G7 j$ T; m& E0 B& i所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% N. z! R$ J- s& Q% n7 E
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * E8 y3 F. D) N( t+ O9 K+ @
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! _' W4 z3 O# N, L3 `+ a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) Y* f6 d! E0 o
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  U  M- D( [8 Q$ p" V. s7 h2 u咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; O- x4 u) W. D2 ?7 l1 N
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 I( f4 p% k" r  f淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 t* C/ a. n: B
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
1 z7 Z$ f/ ^1 Z* _9 V. Q' l咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣( O" e4 e5 w$ P& y/ P
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業+ l+ t4 t- S. t8 t5 Y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 u6 i( ?8 g' k6 u, N4 ^: [. m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票" `* D5 e) r) ^/ `9 N0 [. B0 {& Q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% I3 Q0 O7 t$ e6 e; V/ ]
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& c/ G+ o" q4 L1 ], U咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
! f0 L8 p; i9 F' R$ X; U因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 a: r' t9 w, u% v而家就要多生產, 少消費
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