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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 x* Q5 _, z( V' X9 l" K4 ]
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; N/ Z3 F4 d+ e3 n" ^I was so confused.....
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# w8 W3 t8 w( c3 k6 n4 S' n講到尾都係賺錢7 P5 I4 ?* o' t) u' A, r7 C* |; X" O( A
so銀行可以不斷放款9 B# E# Q. ]' q9 q! Z
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: U( L, N- s5 U3 {6 x3 A0 b9 a( x2 m

' g6 y4 B$ Z1 w/ F' p7 O+ Qmortgage loan
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/ @6 R( o9 z+ V, W8 y7 z$ T' j>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)! t/ i5 P7 u+ x# K8 i" D! m
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. |$ H) `" b' YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 }* l; [. T- }$ X4 I& n' v
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 L1 G, ^* o7 Z0 N0 Q8 Gmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,+ p; o7 j5 p* E2 S8 W( L, i9 c
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.% ^5 m  G. k, {8 E5 _7 E
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.0 }8 b- K: v# G% \; w2 L
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 i, o: B$ Z! ]3 }) {normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 \! L: \; V; g) K# J( @eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 c8 t2 a. ], c/ b
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
7 h2 g4 _  _0 g9 {# x" y8 rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# z  z+ A3 ~6 oFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
6 i/ U* P- p7 ?2 A- P9 |) PA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
3 m! p/ L/ Z6 C( R" `9 QThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
' c4 r. H! w* o( U0 t; v" zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 A, m' K! t5 [/ S
Refer to last example,
9 m! M. Y6 c. B+ [3 S2 H; D* b* ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A : {8 {& Y0 v0 c1 P
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand . }& U% s; w# e4 s. s
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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9 l0 w. a4 r2 l5 }A->B->C->D->E! O7 ]) O7 _! Z% [- F
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 j3 O) K1 I1 u7 s4 e
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, " v8 f# o/ ?) m
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ s' k2 v) p7 f: {
it's the problem of the debt itself.
* f. K8 R, f1 ?: W4 zthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ Y/ I1 H# f) \. l) K* }0 K小弟一直都唔明...
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0 P6 v% b  h. y1 }0 }全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* H4 U# O; z* A  o0 U$ [2 k
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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/ u- F% q3 i" R( N! P敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
, i/ e/ [, D- f" h: }6 `4 i  k那些根本係 紙上財富  
+ Y1 R1 `6 h- Z; D3 e5 u各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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" Q% L0 r0 U: r/ a8 fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( F' L8 z) d; i當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
% c% }& e( Q& g7 N$ F: V於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊& D0 j5 n! Y0 @" ?
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 i# |, W. B& H. R扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- |0 N' ^( B) t) M( i1 V4 K3 ]計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. f" ^. W: P( ~; F
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 A8 o1 y5 @7 q" J
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
# S5 m+ t' u% h% W# g# g& u2 n但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
: s) l/ p$ p# E. g: O9 m例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 U; L* i1 G/ O& ]1 {8 O; k咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
0 }+ l! R; r3 K& o9 E: M. c; W所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
$ B$ C) U% a2 W  e& ?5 S但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' k3 V5 R$ Q+ K$ q; Z: h0 b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * `, t; q# S4 p7 c6 ~. F& P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" h9 z0 D* n1 O- S  ]) G1 _
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( y" y' H4 A" A7 b) }
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 R' ^8 ~, F9 [6 J3 d( {0 W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' n' p, |1 o9 U, a- `* k" Z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 ~6 F9 {+ `2 x) L
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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/ l+ j# w5 ?( m4 P; Y* B' i正係咁樣
# b1 W$ O% U) J9 `' n2 [其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 i7 H. t" d" r' o& h; J6 b$ Q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢* a4 l& R3 i7 W: P
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 r# g; @) s) B  M: F
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
* V+ w( _( B: ~, h* D! N一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
0 \- e0 ?+ X5 _9 E6 z7 n6 n編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. `# Q3 s4 \. Y$ G咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 x+ J' H9 n4 ]) A" D0 y  j% G, ?其實係..., C. ?4 j! |" @) L
因為以前未生產, 先消費3 s" C$ I7 T9 P5 E: I
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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