Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! @& h1 j* n" h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 h; G2 M0 X0 a+ r& Y3 V; s% m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; _. q* H0 k1 d3 \3 x% o8 L0 {" m- D  u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; W* A) }0 u4 y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 L$ L- }5 p3 n: q- KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 a4 D7 Y! j- o# u5 Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% ?0 y; |* B2 D/ _9 j& v6 N! {  g& ]2 w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 C* }7 H' |9 I/ p1 c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 G7 e) X( d4 C+ i2 p真的!!這不是反話
4 w& v2 ?  \/ B% t因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 F' P! P( \8 Q3 `) e所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ z; T7 e& G9 L" `: C. P2 T3 k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) ^7 I' z2 t8 k/ \( P在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! L% a& U; R! a+ S: I$ g5 w  j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- [! k, }& D- Z9 M8 [' \/ E$ f; L

( F( n" T! e  g( g  Z* |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- T. i6 M/ v$ v" s$ bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( n; a; S* f  E. `2 z7 F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
' {/ ]1 m( y. ^7 S6 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# C7 K8 ?6 ^( a5 h2 z+ mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 b8 K' u' l4 i$ S

, C, Z/ s; i! ?5 rit's starting because we have sins......
5 {3 g6 m/ H9 ~- N4 p7 h" F4 asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / y- m) Y2 |# r
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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- r9 z* n6 O* H8 }$ L用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 g% R" s& L- B; K" }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 A3 _# `2 t2 w+ F; s- J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ e3 L; p4 R5 c; `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: u( P: R2 \5 V9 H* Q: b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 n# c2 d9 ^4 I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 [. S0 y3 w- u3 x

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) l3 [$ O3 v1 H
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( N2 P. B1 k/ H$ A4 r

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3 f7 v& q0 I* M* s0 q: \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: m; s" g3 D% x/ W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' y3 M4 R9 ?$ a* T% \, m: Y, f
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以下是其他人的見解,+ e5 `8 l- y1 K% U2 q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" s8 e% u7 G) Z* f2 ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 g/ f" s1 E8 C6 K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- Q( B; A0 k" E6 F6 Y8 ~6 |3 m" K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' C( G* o' n" \- B6 C

$ E; _& @2 k6 a/ w1 H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' i9 U) x6 A! n8 I3 U) d0 `

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 n9 W' O& D3 n  s.............信耶穌... ...

4 w: t4 r. q) ]9 hRegarding the resurrection....3 H3 B3 \! ~4 j1 o) t1 G9 S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ r$ a# A, q7 w- C5 Z" b6 ]

0 f" C1 |( v1 e% N* ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.