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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) O7 D& k8 _( Y% h% Q
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
( N  J, z2 h$ v( A% c/ U% H& F6 pI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢9 t, z' P6 R* V9 k. a
so銀行可以不斷放款
% D# a: k6 z  c) \5 @7 ]美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, k& c2 L0 J3 n2 R' }

% s; I# }4 V, H# M! mmortgage loan - b) J+ F8 _- ]( z+ ~( r
>conduit
: X! z5 g3 A7 p; N>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 p- b( E* }& x, q7 m+ |+ a; k- E4 LCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
) \1 u4 a# s8 ]7 B4 @+ Jmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
( M: i/ W3 m0 T5 ]: F2 Imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) v; b+ B& `* t2 s( o1 Min other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' ?( m, j9 \; U( _Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 V& ^5 r  e. m* g0 V* Jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,; E1 T0 v; W. j( q4 _8 [  R% c
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 Y0 K; i, n7 [6 e% S
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 _$ V5 L1 ?& o/ qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party./ z* A/ m/ U+ g* m+ Y

8 q; G/ T3 }3 x' r4 ?/ Pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 r$ x6 q0 m; W& [in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* @6 N- j6 @- Z! d) S9 C  g- `- P7 N
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
$ f/ G; |. _) x' G: r4 V  `6 r/ L- }4 MA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! h2 _* Z3 g3 p2 x0 s* {The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
5 R3 d& Z% t: V. n- C4 c0 abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; J6 c' S, E7 \+ l. r
Refer to last example,
8 U' o; t( L% K. w+ Rthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 @: ]8 s1 S- @4 Y3 l/ {Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand " s& m, I& K2 a" q- q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E) \% V0 k2 g* {- v
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: E0 D8 ~" g6 I) N  Dall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?. w+ A# E, J' z; |; b

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) f6 u* n! H, Wthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, % H: V: d# e% _, W+ d' g
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 0 e) q1 v; G- E2 t2 {: G3 r$ t
it's the problem of the debt itself.
% z! J/ x0 G6 r7 z0 w( lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 u- `* X: ~' a- R6 c+ z7 x0 x
小弟一直都唔明...
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3 n( d( B8 O. A! @5 _7 K全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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: n, d3 a& |: E+ d* @無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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! q, G- v! S: U7 P4 y敬請各師兄解答
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1 u, n% H9 i9 Z; H! k# FThanks
! t" I. n% n: H8 ]1 L. [2 f# w那些根本係 紙上財富  ) ^  d% d  p  W6 i# g6 L1 Z. T
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic" h: n7 Y3 K2 p( ~+ h
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產" m7 x: Q5 f0 Q# M! Y: O- d5 `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ ^3 C1 \& X1 _5 s: y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 P7 A5 f4 g( e' C3 {個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: e) b! m& v. W. m/ s
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! v8 U4 X; {8 R  v4 D
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 m3 s1 \  z2 t- x前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 G& G% p! c5 `1 z5 l' L
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  j" [8 R8 n6 E/ D' ~. o3 D( F
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( [! v/ ^6 ?0 [0 x8 Y例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 p0 q9 ~- Q  V  E8 J咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%8 g& S; l* }; |  h" {! j5 s
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" y5 r* c7 i% R" K1 k: x

, n" m, C8 L. C你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( n7 r% Y! R5 U# F" p3 ~( C
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 y' H! M& I; w0 a5 y7 O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / M" p7 Z* A. ~
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( p4 h: V# X) z! Q! ~& r& v
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# w5 l  Z2 T% m2 _$ S# w
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , }3 A5 n9 `$ T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 N: l# V5 ]  T  Y; K. `1 @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 O! c1 L* W8 Z2 b4 |
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: _4 {8 p5 W% h1 b正係咁樣
$ y1 f: K% O/ C+ s+ g9 o- z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業. m  T! i' i' O" a5 c) o0 f0 X
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% c) O2 u& V7 `! _# V. P

% I8 |( {' n' |: o& l& N6 r9 ?再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,7 \9 q! Q$ f9 b" J- O! ^
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: }- n2 |  ~8 h( s% S6 d$ L
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! `! h0 m5 O5 m; }* ~9 p  O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  Z" e# ~: }( u) u+ S. l( o# O
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 L: `8 [) Q% F& {4 V. E其實係...2 I/ p3 A% U, j4 N- [
因為以前未生產, 先消費& C1 C- S/ Y8 r! @; O* y- A* |
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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