Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, |% l: J( J% p+ G5 q0 S6 B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 S0 o  f- H# K" [; Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢7 F; E0 W8 z" D! |; V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 e+ N/ X) j: `  m# T0 S5 f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 g2 M% A4 t, P! N3 sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 A# u9 m0 S4 L' l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 s. I. J! @' E) l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. {1 |0 m; @+ T1 J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# o8 v. a3 t. S4 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 L5 o! N1 `2 L- ]4 uWhat a statement we have here?: W$ `9 u) U9 I! Y; H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; K- w2 C! ?( c: j- ~$ B- e
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) H/ r) K# {9 ^  P

4 J6 i4 \4 o9 p! C2 s3 rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ U5 z, v" e* G9 P7 F) U3 O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* k) f' m* S- Y. w"不信也沒損失"
! S2 B% S( O/ R* ]4 Z# n7 }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: d* ^0 W( P1 g: W# ?' Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 R! s) K( d& Q( w
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it's starting because we have sins......
! O5 Q7 `+ K) Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) A+ L. c' v/ P- c% your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: i- f+ H7 i8 x( J! |只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* p4 B6 z% O! e# W+ n
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' @: j0 v& `; ?6 W. p6 v+ P3 ~/ k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 f+ V" i: p+ S1 t, F如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. O/ e* A% |$ d3 i: E3 t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' F' O" f  G" i( Z' L5 ^

& h3 ^% j4 f& ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, u) G4 W: s) X* G: w2 ~) a+ @6 J+ I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 f" B* r* r7 ]6 f) Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  e  v8 a" I2 z& B% @: X( P6 q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ q9 u. Y+ F+ W  l4 c9 R0 t0 }0 }' r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 ~- v" U# K" u( t
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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" O! B7 V* @0 i6 U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- t7 G  S0 G: ]4 N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ |$ |  A) M4 {! |/ E# Y以下是其他人的見解,
! ^6 u' r; H! [4 v看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# ^1 W7 F& i% z+ n/ ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 Y, C* I: _) ~4 O2 }  i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 P/ N. a  ]. d$ w( |7 ]! X# |- M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 X4 Y+ ~( g: U  T4 N% z
.............信耶穌... ...

7 A$ w" A& W* K) e4 w/ m3 pRegarding the resurrection....1 j* J6 e: ^/ J- H/ ]( O3 @8 Z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.