Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 X- m3 o: U4 l- a+ {4 k0 M我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 W$ }8 _& G& W4 p: K/ V4 ?4 E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 \; l, B% ?3 [; p- G道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 B! a9 m, F/ n  D' c. ?' t; V6 k2 r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" Z$ b8 e" ^) X! [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 C3 K. _2 f/ q! }, L8 r# l( H9 K

. v. \( G0 }2 ]( j8 a! CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 [. h! x: o" n2 k  {

5 A! C  a# D% M  omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  T+ d6 m/ T1 e3 r  G5 B9 v; f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& B- ]5 J" x+ i( m" a我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 c1 i& s8 Z2 x; P+ Z
真的!!這不是反話
( T4 g) A5 u9 k; q. [; [因為我是情感比理性強的人7 I2 j: g) l, K0 l* z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 K) I5 c  Y! q5 b5 A' ]6 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ g* a: n( f( `; Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# H; v$ Q, b1 u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 z9 t$ a% X: E! j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 f) ^/ ^8 ^, ^8 S* \7 XWhat a statement we have here?
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" Q2 k+ L- p+ L: K. GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + @) f+ A; I0 Y

" z, b2 M8 `6 UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 Z8 T/ @% o$ J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 U3 U6 z% j, ^$ r* f/ f3 T. I% A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( x1 ~& ]- C8 b5 f2 J8 W2 N7 C"不信也沒損失"
; H+ D# [3 y  o! A3 ^  yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; Q* x5 _% z! K- J2 j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% X, P" O0 x; h# n# F) j5 j: j$ Dit's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 v# p/ f2 d& F% W$ P  E, S( v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ I8 i6 h8 `- {( b: h
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* ]- d7 _" V) n9 A' K5 Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 @# L% m$ y+ h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- u' m2 ?2 b7 ~# M- {8 O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! U. J2 x! v- ~" @; }. ?* Q: k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 t- X$ H: ]. F: s3 b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 n0 T! G4 j! b% J% j3 ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# n9 _. Y0 x, a6 A+ x) o5 {, {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 Y8 G* I, |9 [( G& f$ L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 f8 ^; k) \4 b( [# ^8 D

! i! e/ J. X& W/ a0 v# x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  X$ C  g# O, e0 a8 {3 O9 O# a
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  y; t/ ~. m* [) Q2 M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: `6 J2 H, G0 M" V. A1 b
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以下是其他人的見解,+ k! K* G" \" h0 q* f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ `* s( `5 J+ ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. X0 \* Z0 {3 e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 y8 A! l1 ?- Z7 w  A5 D0 c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) K7 I) c& E3 i: o4 O2 k+ x

9 r/ N- T" g& ^2 Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 F/ r8 c$ q; \3 i7 U$ G# j5 A# a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 e4 J: ?# d3 ~3 m3 z# s9 U* P3 l
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.