Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- r( x  i9 {; P7 Z0 f, |我係一個連自己都吳信的人, x1 J) U# U3 }8 K/ ^$ s6 R* B3 |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. d6 Z7 i! I  h+ H
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 `2 t$ i# \' b+ `9 O$ j  I5 }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ o1 F5 F% J. q; [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 a+ D. j. C  {
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., i7 X+ c+ D$ s% R! A- z7 U8 Z8 B

$ Y7 S( u+ p6 B* u& ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 P2 _! b1 p$ Q; t6 @0 C- W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 R+ \6 A7 o" ^2 B2 v5 X真的!!這不是反話
$ U  |4 u& I4 [! R9 ~% d因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" d) p8 n* r  B8 t* S  D: n" v* r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ Q: B& O+ w1 M4 ^& c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' c3 E' }! w/ H1 v6 ?/ [
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* W" I. a. \& b/ Z( t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: r7 F2 v1 F' |1 Z, z. o4 AWhat a statement we have here?0 |7 d# W0 K( v

) ^; f3 P3 H9 b6 H5 t0 ]% j7 s* k# kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " a% A. h" b* @9 ?& i7 s+ u2 T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 h) A/ B4 J/ z; q* R5 ^6 h# y0 a. fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 o/ d! o# D$ g$ N- ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 i. y" c6 z9 x; i. X' G& R"不信也沒損失"' e6 }* D' L' G8 {* X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% p7 f& J6 i2 p$ ?; L3 _) J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: d, \7 @# d  C/ }8 Q9 @% E& Y$ W, rit's starting because we have sins......0 s' W2 P% y( Y* Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 m, B: G/ M: f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# {2 X$ ^/ Y# U8 Q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ `" a! [8 Y2 c' K# f) Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 K9 e% p8 N# A: L3 s3 l+ ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. x- S& n6 w: @: x6 k% {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: z  @, `" _0 l1 p. G3 W" X) \

' t" m) ^3 \0 T9 O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% U6 G0 G* G; q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 ~$ F* I4 N2 h5 z! \* X& i

& I% ^9 w9 g- ^2 q5 F2 A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# y( W& J8 k/ h. B( C! H+ J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' e' q4 E( n& s( D. c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ k# p2 \/ X: |6 y2 F( w以下是其他人的見解,
. d. a- N* N; V" j( r' o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ G) n2 [8 T* R, P" c" R9 s
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: @' u$ k* l+ v1 g  k& ?
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 q4 h1 m% Y; B- [. x# g9 i

! Y6 t5 P6 ^9 J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( G0 i9 f% N( M8 d, o  @$ n.............信耶穌... ...

1 \  J" |8 S3 J) m* lRegarding the resurrection....8 A9 P; o3 R  t( r  c: n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  M, n$ U, M3 P& M. q7 F
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.