Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 {7 y, h7 `8 u9 S) U/ v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 u; F. A7 D! k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  s) D8 W- a( Y) F, n/ ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( D# ~2 Z, S; N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 _% l1 w: b2 {& i$ W% `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' h& f. l, m/ I. B

: s5 o9 ?" ?/ |% ]2 \" @1 R7 gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! N% h( n5 m$ c& D我只不過微小的基督徒...................
. E6 M9 C- T6 s+ w真的!!這不是反話
+ `  W* t* [3 g5 ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 Q7 Y9 t9 i$ R; Q. b所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- u& G; }/ W4 e+ \+ C9 K( R; i
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 J* ^; `! W' `' d- S- f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 q( l$ z2 a( @) C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 |: \, _! E0 @- m9 M' n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; _/ {0 P2 Z' ]8 DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 X+ F" b' C: o: B1 z+ \

2 s& q  _: k% J9 ZLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  h8 \, w, k$ {. a( y' L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  ^$ f1 e4 @$ _" {8 e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 B/ G- A7 @5 j3 T! I"不信也沒損失"
( p: S% `0 g  c$ k3 X" s. fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  D3 F0 {, w- {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  b1 H3 @# v$ O( l  r. y3 _
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it's starting because we have sins......
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, a3 y! |: ]; o" J" p; _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 J" Y0 b+ n: k1 h* Q6 x只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," f  y6 ^! r2 `" w/ R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 M; u: E2 ~9 w) ^3 E& ]8 x  h" X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- D, q4 c" I  J+ ~8 n  C( b: h

7 I5 w  {, s+ g7 L& E4 F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 \( d6 w6 Y# V0 S' H; Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' \4 k! M* p% P3 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% J/ ~9 x! Y' Z4 ]3 }  A$ q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: n, T3 s; Q. ?% L! _; l3 W# C* r) Z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: l5 q1 C7 F% O/ R8 k+ Z5 \4 t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 y0 j6 V  w7 j0 [' m, k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 i6 c* A& d5 @( a* m; o9 R
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以下是其他人的見解,' O6 _, Q0 O9 J7 e0 d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 ^5 O$ t4 ?! v; d4 b4 _. i5 Y4 d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 s; Q6 K' z. t0 ?5 g
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( Y; M* k; N6 O4 n
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; S) p; ]0 T; ^! b7 b! H.............信耶穌... ...

$ t3 X& I( Q8 l. q* iRegarding the resurrection....$ b5 f9 q2 N' _. L; l8 L, V' p# m/ F2 X

( B5 F8 N  ]% K0 r8 cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! o0 P: ~* A0 c. L8 VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.